Talk:Natural Shield

Obtaining Keyword

You can get the keyword through other methods than hitting a natural magic shield. I did mine on a white shield with icebolt (glitch or not I'm not sure). So did a giant though the giant did it on a green one.

I also believe that it could be shortened to "arrow, bolt, or javelin"

• I believe it refers to just hitting ANY magic shield with any bolt/arrow/javelin. --Demaetri 21:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Ok, what I said above may or may not be true. I was using my elf on the raft and was shooting at hobs that had shields up. My arrow penetrated the ice shield and the lightning shield, but I didn't get the keyword. I got the keyword from hitting the green shields with arrows, though. Should we try and get definitive information?--Demaetri 18:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Is the Keyword bugged? I took an Elf to rafting with me, and she shot the Green Shields, and Iced the White ones. She did not get the keyword. ~ Darkblade132

Training Method (This applys to the other magic shields too)

Not sure if the training methods are correct. This is what it says in-game:

• Use the Natural Shield
• Successfully block the attack with the Natural Shield (Get hit with it on?)
• Successfully attacked the opponent blocking with Natural Shield (Attack someone with the shield activated?)
• Shield attacks with more than one Natural Shield (I think that means you need another person with you to activate the shield to overlap and get hit)

BTW, this is on my giant so not sure if this is different for elves or humans.--Akumo 21:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I am human and I confirm this. However the training listed on the page seems to just be exactly that, but worded differently. I would change it but I am not sure if the training stays the same for all the ranks? Not reading properly. o.x I will change it now. But as for the last training point, I am not sure. Actually, since the description of the skill mentions overlapping shields, your explanation is most likely accurate. --Ashe 10:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Tested it out today. Whoever gets HIT by the arrow gets the training. Two people must be casting the shields at the same time. One of them must be hit by an arrow. Whoever gets hit is the one that gets the training. The other person gets no skill training.--Demaetri 00:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Damage Reduction

I was wondering how much damage each rank reduces in damage, so I decided to do some digging in the ol' mabi files. What I found for "Var2":

0.1, 0.1, 0.12, 0.14, 0.16, 0.18, 0.2, 0.24, 0.27, 0.3, 0.33, 0.38, 0.41, 0.44, 0.47, 0.5

Rank	N	F	E	D	C	B	A	9	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1
Protection (%)	10	10	12	14	16	18	20	24	27	30	33	38	41	44	47	50

Can anyone confirm that these numbers actually correspond to the damage reduced? --Doomsday 03:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking it out sometime in the near future, hopefully by the end of the month w/ my experiment--Demaetri 21:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice experiment, I was also planning to do an experiment similar to that. My Ice Rank is too high for your experiment though lol. I'm testing within the next few days actually but I'll wait until you finish your experiment. I'm interested to see what data you come up with.--Jaydarxus 20:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure, but I'm guessing the numbers are decimal fractions: 0.1 = 10% | 0.12 = 12% | 0.5 = 50% and yeah o.o--Akumo 21:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed by JP wiki.--Hengsheng120(talk•contribs) 07:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

CP

Rank F gives .50 CP total(skill+stat), went from 444.51CP to 445.01CP

The table states that Rank F gives .50 CP from stats alone, therefore .50 cannot be true as a total. --Δκυmσ - ταłκ 02:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Name Change

Nexon removed the word "Magic" for all magic shield. Should we change the title as well? --Linguini 14:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2gt3fxx.jpg

Warp Imp helps train "Successfully attack an opponent who is using Magic Shield."; attack the enemy that is shielded by the Imp's magic shield, and this works for all four magic shields. I don't have a Lava Walker or Jungle Scout Imp, but they should probably work. I have no idea if another person's pet imp does training, though, but I don't see why it shouldn't. Just be mindful of the Imp's mana.

Also, for this skill, Saga 1 Episode 7 has four Elf Guards that only use Ranged Attack on the third wave (just past the first set of barrier spikes).

How would Magic Natural Shield fare against Ninja skills?

If 2 people use shields near each other, will the protection bonus stack normally? (30%+30%) or will it be combined in some weird mathematical way that reduces the benefit of the second shield?

wow...I forgot this skill existed...uhh anyways, it'll be averaged in some...odd way. I don't know what but Now I need to get these skill on my mage = 3=;; dat MP gain ya?

I don't suppose we have a pair of fine gents on the wiki who happen to have r1 magic shields? xD That'd be the easiest way to check.

I have rD in all shields atm on my mage o-o;; no AP to rank them yet.

well i remembered that if 3-4 people used their magic shields in peaca overlapping each other when a ghost thundered or fireballed, everyone took 1 damage. does that answer your question somewhat?

Also they were like rank F.

So I guess it stacks then?

I guess so o3o, but if 3-4 stacked rF shields that would be about 30-40% reduction, shouldn't be reduced to 1 damage as aubog says. Unless...is there a hidden bonus for multiple shield stacking?

Hmm according to this elemental magic shields are more effective against int/adv magic, it's possible that could explain why player where only taking 1 damage against thunder/fireball
i.e 40% + 40% + 40% = 120% elemental protection effectively reducing even a r1 fireball critical to 1 damage…

If you ask me, it's all based on a person's magic attack/int, damage done, shield rank.

but I would think that damage would be reduced proportionally to damage done o-o;;

Has anyone been able to figure the how far the shield extends to? I think it may be about distance 500.

Should we make some small bullet about how the secondary effects of mirage missile and crash shot are negated?