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Various Edits

Sometimes I get the feeling that you make edits for the sake of editing. Or maybe I'm just imagining things. Tellos 14:23, 28 November 2010 (PST)

Is that bad...? Infodude575 17:27, 1 December 2010 (PST)
This wiki exists to record all data for the mabinogi game. If a page is complete and without error, then editing it further is pointless. If you question the wording or logic of a page you can discuss it in a talk page. Tellos 17:33, 1 December 2010 (PST)

...why wouldn't guides have spoilers? That's why they're guides... And why else would there be a giant spoiler banner at the top of the page? --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 17:42, 1 December 2010 (PST)

Because Admins say so. Also, G1, G2, G3, G7, G9, G10, G11, and G12 have the banner, but theres no content that reveals the plot. Infodude575 16:44, 2 December 2010 (PST)
You know Ikkisuki is an admin right? Tellos 16:46, 2 December 2010 (PST)
Perhaps... then you might be a hypocrite. Remember the "incident" with the editing on G1 page? Infodude575 16:53, 2 December 2010 (PST)
I don't recall doing anything to the G1 page, also there is no hypocrasy. Perhaps you are suggesting I'm a liar? Blue link = page, red link = no page, Gold link = Admin user page. Tellos 17:45, 2 December 2010 (PST)
See here then. Your fellow Admins say its not allowed. Infodude575 19:25, 2 December 2010 (PST)
I agree with the no-content-spoilers rule, my main reason for using the wiki mainstream guide is because it just only tells you How, but not What and Why (the real spoilers), which i want to figure out myself. Addressing the storyline in the mainstream articles should be sparingly used, and only when it helps with describing the How.--Hengsheng120·TALKCONTRIBS 21:59, 2 December 2010 (PST)

What server do you play in?

Hi, which server do you play in?--Hengsheng120·TALKCONTRIBS 06:13, 3 February 2011 (PST)

Contents

Thread titleRepliesLast modified
Your Edits103:08, 17 May 2013
Act VII cooldown2322:57, 14 May 2013
Caliburn...601:33, 12 May 2013
Doppelganger video613:46, 26 April 2013
Trivia Placement1021:41, 21 April 2013
Defense/Protection110:20, 8 April 2013
Patches222:10, 20 March 2013
Bare Hands and Field Monsters611:50, 17 March 2013
Letter of Guarantee and Smuggler217:24, 9 March 2013
Old Tutorial Quests322:25, 25 February 2013
Mari Transformation317:08, 21 December 2012
Request200:02, 29 November 2012
Act 6 Crisis012:40, 28 October 2012
Act 9002:13, 28 October 2012
Wire Pull512:43, 27 October 2012
Climactic Crash221:07, 26 October 2012
G17S3412:48, 29 September 2012
Wine Making515:24, 29 August 2012
g10 Final219:21, 26 August 2012
Taming 1021:08, 17 August 2012
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Your Edits

Are you trying to say generation difficult is not based on talent exp? Also,

 
 
Shadow Mission difficulties are fixed at either Basic or Intermediate.
 

 

implies every generation mission is capped at Basic or Intermediate.

Pyro - (Talk)02:59, 17 May 2013

I carried an old char with a Lv3 talent all the way to Shadow Experiment II and it changed to Int.

 

Act VII cooldown

How are you hitting a 20 second cooldown?

I very clearly observed a 1 second reduction upon reaching rank 5...

No "unsummoning" required.

Doomsday31415 (talk)21:59, 29 April 2013

Can you even load it immediately after the CD shadow is gone?

Infodude575 (talk)22:53, 29 April 2013
 

As soon as the countdown ends, I can load it.

The countdown decreased by 1 when I hit rank 5.

Doomsday31415 (talk)07:57, 30 April 2013
 

That's odd, because I have master Act 7 and I have to wait 3 seconds after the cooldown goes away in order to load it again.

Infodude575 (talk)10:07, 30 April 2013
 

If you need a second opinion, you can always ask User:LexisMikaya. Other than her, I don't know who else on this Wiki has puppetry.

Infodude575 (talk)17:40, 30 April 2013
 

I think I'll leave the ball in your court for now to figure out why it's NOT decreasing for you.

On my end, everything works as you'd expect. What are you doing differently?

Doomsday31415 (talk)18:36, 30 April 2013
 

I just use the skill and that's it. Then it doesn't let me load the skill right after the CD shadow goes away.

Infodude575 (talk)19:09, 30 April 2013
 

How does that line up with the text?

"Try again in X seconds."

Doomsday31415 (talk)19:46, 30 April 2013
 

It says absolutely nothing after the CD goes away, though the text is normal during CD.

Infodude575 (talk)20:05, 30 April 2013
 

In that case, are you sure the delay isn't there for all ranks?

Doomsday31415 (talk)20:33, 30 April 2013
 

Its all there except for Act 1.

Infodude575 (talk)21:31, 30 April 2013
 

The cooldown sure is buggy for some reason. My thoughts would be due to the Mastery skill not reducing them as it should, along with the cooldown time reduction from the act skills itself. It really doesn't bother me as much, but does get annoying when something should be ready 3 seconds ago...that time span can be a bit detrimental for puppeteers since majority of their attack force is from the Act skills.

☽S☆A☆R☆I☆A☾ (talk)21:35, 30 April 2013
 

Its pretty hard to tell if the mastery is affecting it since 15% isn't a lot...

Infodude575 (talk)21:54, 30 April 2013
 

Still there for me -_-

Infodude575 (talk)19:20, 14 May 2013
 

It's there for you, it's not there for me. Therefore the cooldown may remain at 20 seconds due to a glitch.

Have you tried comparing a new character with rank F versus your rank 1? Maybe your computer's lag is causing issues...

Doomsday31415 (talk)19:27, 14 May 2013
 

I don't want an alt, too much work, no benefit.

Infodude575 (talk)19:35, 14 May 2013
 

Then how do you know the cooldown isn't reduced?

Just because it's longer than you expect, doesn't mean it wasn't even longer before...

Doomsday31415 (talk)19:58, 14 May 2013

Rank Master Control Marionette = -15% CD
Rank Master Act 7 = 17 Sec CD.

17 * 0.15 = 2.55
17 - 2.55 = 14.45 = 14 (rounded down).

Uses Act 7, takes 2 secs approx to run. "Blah blah blah 12 seconds". 12 seconds later, does not let me load. 3 seconds later, I can load.

...Okay, so maybe its not the Act Skill itself, but Control Marionette's -CD not working right... Doom you never said what Rank your CM was.

Infodude575 (talk)20:15, 14 May 2013
 

Rank 9 Control Marionette (-5% CD) Rank 1 Climactic Clash (17 second CD)

Expected CD of about 16 seconds.

Maybe a second of delay between the countdown hitting zero and the skill loading.

Countdown is 16 seconds, CD is 17.

So it sounds like Control Marionette has the glitch.

Doomsday31415 (talk)20:38, 14 May 2013
 

Yeah you probably don't notice it since -5% isn't a lot.

How does your other act skills fare, or did you not touch them sufficiently?

Infodude575 (talk)20:43, 14 May 2013
 

Since I only adopted puppetry recently, all the other act skills are Rank F.

Now that it's been brought up, there is a small delay for the other skills as well (except for possibly act 1).

Doomsday31415 (talk)20:52, 14 May 2013
 

Finally, we solved the mystery of the CD glitch.

Infodude575 (talk)20:58, 14 May 2013
 

Yep! :D

Now go figure out counter punch :P

Doomsday31415 (talk)22:57, 14 May 2013
 

I tested this up against a wall. The cooldown sometimes will glitch for reasons unknown. Lag or no lag.

 

Caliburn...

Edited by author.
Last edit: 01:15, 12 May 2013

I am adding, what appears to be, a ton of information on Caliburn. I can double check it since I'm doing each of generations twice for Chapter 3. Mainly cause I was lazy and this renewal just killed the exp.

Basically I just need a double, or maybe even triple, check on what I'm saying. I'm merely paraphasing everything I read during G10

Why do you need to tell me? Just do it.

Infodude575 (talk)01:14, 12 May 2013
 

Cause I'm not sure if it's right o-o;; You know more about the mythology more than anyone here, so I figured "Why not ask infodude?"

 

I got it based on memory and mythology is from google searches.

Infodude575 (talk)01:26, 12 May 2013
 

As a side note, could you also put in information to Leymore and Cai?

Infodude575 (talk)01:31, 12 May 2013
 

Well you certainly remember more than most people :x II'm kinda shooting blanks when it comes to memory.

 

Yeah, that was terribly a long time ago... Only when I completely dedicate myself to something my memory functions

Infodude575 (talk)01:33, 12 May 2013
 

Doppelganger video

Umm, it's violating the policy how...? As far as I am concerned, it's fine the way it is.

☽S☆A☆R☆I☆A☾ (talk)10:37, 26 April 2013

Last I checked you're supposed to disable your User Inferace.

If I may suggest, cut down the time. Wikis aren't meant for you to showcase gestures (the introduction) and no one wants to see you running ten seconds towards an Aardvark when you could have just used it on another mongoose that you ran past.

Infodude575 (talk)10:42, 26 April 2013

^If this isn't in the policy, it should be.

Doomsday31415 (talk)12:29, 26 April 2013
 

Yeah it's not in the policy. I was tempted to edit it or make a note, but had to rush to a final, which I probably bombed since it's Math...zzz

☽S☆A☆R☆I☆A☾ (talk)13:46, 26 April 2013
 

I don't see anything like that in the policy. It just says disable chat windows/chat box.

☽S☆A☆R☆I☆A☾ (talk)10:44, 26 April 2013
 

Huh, my mind must be playing tricks with me again...

Infodude575 (talk)10:46, 26 April 2013
 

Well, I cut the footage to show the skill being charged up and attack the boar...wish youtube would let me upload over a current video instead of having to redo all the descriptions.

☽S☆A☆R☆I☆A☾ (talk)10:46, 26 April 2013
 

Trivia Placement

In the only discussion About it that I'm aware of, the closest thing there was to a consensus(among the people who weren't completely against allowing trivia) was that if it's added, it should be at the bottom of the page. Was there another discussion i missed?

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)08:52, 20 April 2013

I don't remember exactly where, but it was Kevin's idea.

Infodude575 (talk)10:05, 20 April 2013

You said it in one of your edits.

Infodude575 (talk)17:31, 20 April 2013

If I said that, then it's based on what was already existing. And if so, it's not like that cannot be changed.

 

*shrug* Well, you were the boss, so...

Infodude575 (talk)17:45, 20 April 2013
 

Was it on a talk page, or in an edit summary?

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)19:32, 20 April 2013
 

Why would trivia go before related enchants? o_O In my opinion trivia should be before the references section but after everything else. But it's not that important.

Angevon (Talk)20:35, 20 April 2013
 

I think the related enchants section was added long after the trivia section, and since the controversy about trivia was kinda gone, nobody was paying enough attention to fix that arrangement. People who added trivia later probably put it before enchants only to keep the order consistent with the of other pages since they weren't sure/didn't remember/didn't know about the original plan.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)21:48, 20 April 2013
 

I agree with Angevon. Everything else -> Trivia -> References. (Since Trivia can include references.)

Pyro - (Talk)21:41, 21 April 2013
 

Bleh, do whatever, I don't care.

Infodude575 (talk)09:45, 21 April 2013
 

Defense/Protection

"Contrary to popular belief, it is not possible to have negative Defense and/or Protection."

Where exactly are you getting this information from anyways?

Valmiria (talk)08:46, 8 April 2013

Please wait for a patch to leave Korean Test Server before posting about it in Patches, things do change in between the test server and official server in updates like this, like with in G16S2 patch. (I wasn't the one originally opting for waiting.)

Pyro - (Talk)21:27, 20 March 2013

Yeah but, we can always change it in the future right?

By the way, is it part of 18 or 19?

Infodude575 (talk)21:30, 20 March 2013
 

Ya we can, but better to wait for it to come out officially next time.

Pyro - (Talk)22:10, 20 March 2013
 

Bare Hands and Field Monsters

According to one of your edits, using bare hands to defeat field monsters has a drop rate of 0% as an anti-bot measure.

  1. What qualifies as a "field monster"? Just field bosses?
  2. How/Where did you get this information?
Doomsday31415 (talk)12:16, 16 March 2013
  1. No. Anything "in the field" qualifies as a "field monster".
  2. Talk:First_Aid#x9_-.3E_8_4722
Infodude575 (talk)13:03, 16 March 2013

Wow, I didn't want to believe it, so I tested it myself. I came up with the following results:

  • At the very least, this applies to all the monsters in Gairech Hills and just north of the Qilla Base Camp.
  • Regardless of what weapons were used during the fight, if "bare hands" were used as the finishing blow, no drops occurred.
    • This includes anything that could possibly drop, such as gold and items.
  • Conversely, as long as the finishing blow was not "bare hands", drops could occur.
  • No drops occurred with "bare hands", even if skills such as Smash, Windmill, Final Hit, or Icebolt were used.

This would explain why I rarely get drops from ancient foxes and such. I don't even bother using a weapon most of the time.

I'd still like the clarify which monsters this applies to, though. For instance, this applies even to the bears, but I know it doesn't apply to bandits during commerce. Perhaps it doesn't apply to anything that "spawns" the same way as a dungeon?

Doomsday31415 (talk)14:44, 16 March 2013
 

Can't be so sure if it also applies to field bosses. This was before bandits were implemented so I doubt it affects them.

Infodude575 (talk)17:41, 16 March 2013

I'm saying I don't know whether or not it affects field bosses, hence why I'm asking someone to find out! :D

Doomsday31415 (talk)18:09, 16 March 2013
 

Apparently I only imagined myself getting drops from commerce bandits x.x

You don't get anything from them either!

Doomsday31415 (talk)10:11, 17 March 2013
 
 

Using Bare hands on anything out in the field yields nothing. I'm pretty sure it affects all field mobs, both regular and field bosses.

S•A•R•I•A (talk)11:50, 17 March 2013
 

Letter of Guarantee and Smuggler

I noticed you mentioned letters do not work with the smuggler. How do you know this? Did you try it yourself?

Doomsday31415 (talk)13:11, 9 March 2013

Confirmed it myself.

Infodude575 (talk)16:03, 9 March 2013
 

That's a shame :(

If it weren't for those letters, I'd have a reason to actually go do smuggling now and then.

Doomsday31415 (talk)17:24, 9 March 2013
 

Old Tutorial Quests

Just because people no longer get the old quests doesn't mean they don't already have them, so don't remove them. It'd be better to add a note that indicates that they're no longer obtainable if you don't already have it.

Pyro - (Talk)22:17, 25 February 2013

Eeh. Not really a point in keeping obsolete, out-of-date information, though. Tends to mislead people to think it's still possible. Obsolete, out of date information is what the history is for.

 

What if we make an archived page for the old tutorial quest chains? Since people who still had it can still do it. And explicitly say that you can't get this chain again.

Pyro - (Talk)22:22, 25 February 2013
 

Yes, old tutorials and quests should be archived. Except no one, apparently, is willing to do the work.

 

Mari Transformation

You've tried using it and attacking enemies?

It shouldn't have ranged attack enabled..

Can you add in the templates for all the Demonic weapons? I'm new to wiki editing and cannot for the life of me figure how to do them correctly.

Maenad (talk)23:59, 28 November 2012

Unfortunately you're going to need to ask someone else, like User:Ikkisuki, because I'm not familiar with templates and he warned us not to mess with them.

Infodude575 (talk)00:01, 29 November 2012

Mmkai.

Maenad (talk)00:02, 29 November 2012
 
 

Act 6 Crisis

The idea of writing articles is to inform those who do not know. If you like the habit of assuming for every player to know already lets not write an article since its already obvious of what is expected.

Ryuuri (talk)12:40, 28 October 2012

I tested with and without Control Marionette and with and without Act 9. I didn't test thoroughly, though. I only made very quick and broad observations.

When the skill is used on a target that is about to strike the user will cause the target to deliver their assault. It is better to advise any user of the skill to not do so.

Ryuuri (talk)11:23, 27 October 2012

Well, if it doesn't inflict stun before the pull, I think anyone can get the gist that it's best not to do it at a close range.

Infodude575 (talk)11:28, 27 October 2012

I tested it on both near and far. The target will execute their melee combo if they are pulled towards the user.

Ryuuri (talk)11:42, 27 October 2012

On another note, when the target uses smash on the user their will be a glitch that will cause the user to look as if the player was assaulted by smash however, the skill was not at all fully executed. This glitch happens a lot.

Ryuuri (talk)11:45, 27 October 2012
 

Targets immediately resorting to normal attacks after being attacked applies to everything, not just Wire Pull.

Infodude575 (talk)11:48, 27 October 2012
 

You misunderstood.

When using Wire Pull on a target that is going to use, a melee combo. The skill will be executed on the user; the attack instead of being cancelled - wire pull will actually cause the melee to be used on the user.

Ryuuri (talk)12:43, 27 October 2012
 
 

Climactic Crash

Have you actually seen a marionette use climactic crash while under invigorating encore? Considering that it requires the player to charge the skill, it's highly doubtful that it can use the skill on its own, hence why I did not include it.

Nevermind. Found my answer. > >

 

I don't even have it, but it probably does.

Infodude575 (talk)21:07, 26 October 2012
 

Why'd you remove the G1 and G3 final dungeon nerfs from the list? Did that change not enter the official server according to your sources?

Pyro - (Talk)23:11, 27 September 2012

Mabidata, Soluna took it out, so I'm assuming it didn't go through or something.

Infodude575 (talk)01:31, 28 September 2012
 

Thanks. I confronted Solar about this and he had this to say.

Pyro - (Talk)02:15, 29 September 2012
 

Just curious, did Solar say anything else that he didn't add in the notes?

Infodude575 (talk)11:06, 29 September 2012
 

He implied the existence of other things but not exactly what. I know for a fact Guild Battle was made a bit harder, aside from a better title, but he didn't write about that. You can try going to this Japanese blog if you understand, but I'm afraid I'm a novice.

Pyro - (Talk)12:48, 29 September 2012
 

Wine Making

Did you base this on this, which was done the day before?

Pyro - (Talk)15:02, 29 August 2012

Pretty much, why?

Infodude575 (talk)15:06, 29 August 2012
 

Then you need to put a reference, like on the pet pages and the Japanese Wiki.

Pyro - (Talk)15:14, 29 August 2012
 

I don't recall referencing guides... But if you say so. O-o

Infodude575 (talk)15:21, 29 August 2012
 

I don't see how guides are any different than wikis, wikis are guides after all.

Pyro - (Talk)15:22, 29 August 2012
 

I guess that's true...

Infodude575 (talk)15:24, 29 August 2012
 

it's true, I helped out a friend's friend and she disconnected during the cutscene but she still got the reward and we didn't have to redo. She said it also happened to her friend.

Alive (talk)18:55, 26 August 2012

You don't write it in all caps though.

Infodude575 (talk)19:00, 26 August 2012
 

Oh. can you fix it to wiki format please then :(

Alive (talk)19:21, 26 August 2012
 

was it frm yesterday?

& you mean the quest, right? not the item.

 

Ofc I mean the quest. And no, it was today.

Infodude57518:17, 17 August 2012
 

What time? It seems at 12pm PDT today was when Yvona stopped giving out the Lyre & AP rewards according to a couple of reports.

Angevon (Talk)18:51, 17 August 2012
 

I logged in at around 11:00 AM PST and the quest was present in my log.

Infodude57518:53, 17 August 2012
 

well, I logged in at 3pm, so that might be why. So event is over?

 

How am I supposed to know...

Infodude575 (talk)20:28, 17 August 2012
 

No longer on the event marquee. It was yesterday.

 

*shrug* could be dat glitch..

Infodude575 (talk)20:39, 17 August 2012
 

At 12:00PDT. It scrolled over the top "the bard destiny event is now ending"

It has ended.

Aubog007 (talk)20:59, 17 August 2012
 
 
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