Production Pages?

Hello!

The way the individual crafting pages are set are made so that the crafting recipes can be queried automatically; for a list such as that, the crafting items are technically all ready to be queried (at least, the unique items made in the island; the setup for the regular craftable items (ex:demonic weapons) hasn't been done yet as far as I'm aware) but you can at least test it right now!

Refer to This template for how individual moonlight island items are set up. Look at the Argent Crystal for an example of how this looks. You want to first add this to every crafted item you find in moonlight island.

What you want to do for the production lists is create a Query that will simply call upon the CraftingType parameter, filled with the crafting method the list should be about (like cooking, in your case). I recommend you first test this in your own userspace to make sure everything works out.

For production lists, you should be creating sub-pages (Like for the Dan test missions, with a / in their name ex: Moonlight Island Production/Cooking) for every list, which can then be slapped on the main page if that's what is wanted.

If you need more help, feel free to reach out on the Mabinogi wiki channel on the official discord, since this is rather advanced stuff!

Understood. I wasn't able to find that template as I was trying to set up the page, so I can do that later tonight I reckon, and I only saw this message after I had already typed out the list for Baking, unfortunately, so for now I just carried over the information in the old format I was using until I can redo it after a break. Sorry about that, but I will fix it later.

Would I have to add that to the food item's pages individually as well? I am double checking to be absolutely positive I understand, but it sounds like the process is something along the lines of putting the info on the food item's page and then calling on it in the overall list page, yes? Sounds straightforward!

Got it, I didn't realize it was formatted that way. I will keep that in mind once once I get to making the other pages.

Thank you for the info! I'm afraid I may not be available on the Discord, though, I much prefer the forum-like format that the Wiki offers, so I truly appreciate you answering here as well! The feedback here is extremely helpful, and much easier for me to parse than through the Discord, I've found. So I truly appreciate getting a reply through here. Thank you!

You'll need to add the CraftMoonlight template to every individual item that is made through moonlight production, yes. Only a handful of items were already made with this formatting, so this is really the big bulk of what requires to first be done before touching on moonlight production lists.

You can see how this data can then be used in this query to automatically format the kind of lists you wanted to make on the Argent Crystal Shard page. For the cooking list, I reckon you'll want to also specify the cooking method in that query, which I added the function to the template just now. This query should also be added to the crafting materials of the moonlight-produced item (ex:bottled water for lemon juice)

This is a completely new method for the wiki to handle items, especially because lists are hard to maintain down the line, so this is still relatively experimental and is a basis for future crafting-related projects. Let me know if you're having trouble with the final query!

Understood. I started trying to set that up for items within the Kneading section since it's somewhat fresh in my mind, and the list of Kneading items is very slim, so I can set my scale small for sorting this out.

So far I have done Fry Batter. It is displaying as a method to obtain there, so I should be fine to set that up for the other Kneading items.

You rock for that, thanks! I would like to suggest that later there could be other methods for other types? I know smithing has a differentiation between refining and actually crafting equipment. My game is closed right now, so I cannot tell you this with confidence beyond Smithing having a couple of categories in it's interface. This isn't important right now though, and again, I can't tell you with confidence, mainly since I closed my game on account of me taking a break.

I will take you up on that last sentence, since I am having trouble querying things, and I'm not finding the proper way do that, or perhaps just not understanding the documentation myself. I can get it to recognize that I am querying something regarding the Moonlight Island, it's not displaying anything for me since I need to further define something, but I don't know what I need to define to tell it the list to pull from properly. Probably just me not fundamentally understanding queries.

I tried writing it out like this: {{QueryUsedInMoonlight |CraftingType=Cooking Production |CraftMethod=Kneading }}

I am definitely missing something, would it be something to tell it how to display? Or am I just trying to tell it to look for the wrong things? Both?

Again, thanks for the help!

It was probably safer to create a new query specifically for lists, so this is what I have done. Template:QueryMoonlightProductionList

This one should work for every list you might want to make. For the seasonings, in order to avoid them getting bundled up or forgotten, perhaps you can just input 'special production'. I've slapped the query under the kneading section of your cooking production list, so as you advance further in adding the template to individual foods, the query should automatically fill out the kneading section as designed.

I'm not quite sure why fry batter shows thrice, but since the item can be made through three different recipes, this should? be fine.

There seems to be some kind of issue with the cooking method redirecting to the lists if left on their own; I'll wait and see until you're further along to test if this also occurs with other cooking methods. I'm guessing it's a matter of redirects messing with the result.

Ah, thank you, that is very helpful.

Also, it appears the reason that the Fry Batter was weirdly in every slot is because I messed something up while setting up the data on the specific pages for the food items, using the set of info I made for Fry Batter and then forgot to switch out the name from Fry Batter to the relevant recipe despite changing the ingredients. What I get for pushing myself at the end of the day out of excitement to test my understanding, I suppose. Sorry about that, I corrected it now.

It looks like all of the information is in order there, so I will continue onto a different section.

I will let you know if anything else comes up. Thank you!

Okay, figured out that if I delete anything that is formatted (like the table) underneath the list of the list of recipes, it WILL put the list at the bottom of the page no matter what, placing the Kneading section's list in the Special section if I delete the original table that was underneath it for some reason. It goes back to where it is normally supposed to be if I put a second copy of the list of recipes there, though. A table underneath it makes it go back to where it's supposed to be just fine as well, unless said table is in a different section of the page. Any idea what could be causing that?

Edit for clarity, it seems ANY section within the cooking page that doesn't have additional info beneath it causes it to put the list to the bottom of the page, which means a potential fix would be putting something in the special section, however I don't have info to put into the "Special" section to make that work, unfortunately.

I'm also a little stumped on this, but for the time being, you can just continue adding the information on individual items and leave the cooking subpage untouched.Worst case scenario, we can simply change it so the query is simply a full list of every moonlight cooking item, but I'll try checking with other editors for a proper solution.

Appreciated. If possible, since I don't know off the top of my head the stuff regarding the seasoning, a solution could be just getting the Special Cooking section filled out? Temporarily, anyway. I'm willing to do the rest of the lists, it's just that one I don't have any information on myself. I know for a fact that if there is a list at the bottom it'll put everything else where it's supposed to be regarding this issue.