S-Type and R-Type Comparison (One Handed Sword)

So as I was preparing for G13, I was numbercrunching involving both types, and saw that S-Type weapons seem to come on top always (well with 1-handed weapons anyways). If anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that S-Types would be much better on swords. Data:

• This data assumes Rank 1 Critical Hit on all data and Smash on the last row. It also assumes Critical Hit is activated.
• Formula I used (assumes no defence and either maximum or minimum, may be incorrect) ( ( Normal Damage + S-Type Damage Bonus ) * 5 ) * ( 250% + R-Type Critical Bonus (In %) )
  • The Bonus is only for one or the other. If smash is not used, change 5 in the first part to 1.
• No upgrades of either type has 42-125 with 2.5 Critical Modifier
• 3 Upgrades on R-Type has 42-125 Damage with 2.68 Critical Modifier, S-Type has 48-138 Damage with 2.5 Critical Modifier
• 6 Upgrades on R-Type has 42-125 Damage with 2.92 Critical Modifier, S-Type has 57-156 Damage with 2.5 Critical Modifier
• Data is rounded up to the nearest Whole number.

	R-Type	S-Type
3 Upgrades, Normal Hit	113-335	120-345
6 Upgrades, Normal Hit	123-365	143-390
6 Upgrades, Smash	613-1825	713-1950

In Conclusion, S-Type weapons seem to do more damage, both inside and outside of critical hits. If anyone wants to point out a mistake in my data, feel free to let me know.

If I had 300 base max damage and used a 75 damage broad sword +6S would be 401 Damage and 1002 critical damage (max). +6R would be 375 base max damage and 1095 base critical damage. Critical only becomes better as the base damage becomes extremely high, and R type only ends up being a lot better on 2 handers and bows.

Do note that only certain weapons can receive the special upgrade in the first place.

Ok thanks for that information, although I don't really see a lot of people with THAT high of max damage unless their in trans, using ego 2h/bow+high dex. I am not really aware of only certain weapons can get the special upgrade. Also, I was using a broadsword for my information (upgraded on highest critical though). It might be useful if we could maybe make a graph outlining how much each Type affects damage as you do more damage, so we could see where they even up and then where the other type becomes better

Players with capped str using an Oblivion set have 300 base damage. Players with capped dex and the same set have about 400 base.

Can you tell me what this oblivion set is?

Its an enchant set that gives ~120 max.

probably not going to tell me, but what exactly is the enchants?

Oblivion. I thought that'd be obvious. r9 prefix with +10 max that you spam on everything except the glove.

I don't see this Oblivion enchant anywhere.

Here you go. Above the break even point, R does more damage on average.

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S/R Break Even Points (Max Before Special Upgrade)

	1 Handed Axes	1 Handed Weapons	2 Handed Weapons	Dual Wield (Single Hit Base)
1	360	346	369	346
2	321	327	364	327
3	313	323	362	323
4	315	328	355	328
5	316	330	352	330
6	316	331	349	331

thank you for the chart. However, remember that you are not guaranteed a critical hit, while the min and max damage increase you are guaranteed. It depends on your critical chance, so those with low critical might be better off with S type whilst those with high critical could go with R type

This chart assumes a 30% critical rate, and incorporates that rate into the calculation of average damage.

Does it incorporate the R effect stacking in dual wield?

Yes, that's why I made a Dual Wield (Single Hit Base) column. If R effect didn't stack, the numbers in that column would be twice as high.

I know it assumes 30% chance, but some monsters can really make it hard to do critical hits on.

Certain skills ignore protection for calculating crit, though.

yeah I forgot. still I guess it just depends on playstyle. If I had better str and enchants, I'd probably change my mind. But even all that aside, as I said before, the increased damage from S Type is guaranteed, while the bigger increase from R Type occurs during criticals, which still have a ~30% chance of occuring on max crit.

Yeah regardless of which one does more damage during a crit, it's still, at max, a 30% chance....and w/o a crit the S type obviously does more damage. So 70% of the time it does more damage and when you DO get a crit with it, it's not a lot lower than an R type.

Really old thread, but with S, you may be doing more damage passively, but with R, you're doing % more damage. S5 vs R5 on let's say a 2h weapon.

+39 max vs +50% damage. Chances are, the 50% damage is a hell of a lot more than just the +39 max.

Yeah but again...30% of the time if that. I don't know how that's debatable or why you replied to it :)