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Should be updated to include G18 completion

"people who aren't brainless fools", "skeptical enough to call you out on your BS."
Whatever happened to:
"I would say you fail at logic, but that would be rude of me. Instead, I will explain 'why' you are incorrect."

The quote could be used as evidence that upcoming updates will not be called Generations. Keyword updates, not storylines. I did not say that included the Saga or the "G18" update. As I said, I am still looking for that quote (there are very few languages I can read without a translator mind you), you can choose to completely disregard the quote until then. But as I said and partially implied (I apologize, sometimes I have points in my head while reading things but forget to write them), it does not support my point of the Saga not being called "Generation 18", but it also doesn't need to, as there is currently no factual basis for calling it "Generation 18".

"I don't have to provide evidence that it is correct. :)" I am sorry if I implied I require you to find evidence to support that, rather, I said I require evidence that the Saga storyline (not the update it came out with/after) is called "Generation 18".

I'm going to go on a short tangent and skip to a previous post of yours because I forgot to write this when I had time.
There have been updates of arguably equal or greater size to the "G18" update since. Such as the Zero/Druid update.

My point being, "are similar to the Seasons of prior Generations and I consider them such.", it is arguably larger or smaller than "G18", but without question, they are comparably large update. When you consider updates such as "G17", had the replacement with destinies with talents, and 8 new life skills, I hope you agree with my opinion that both updates are larger than "G17". "Season" updates are usually shorter than that. Although they may contain some huge change, it's still usually very few physical changes. Such as "G17S2" added the puppeteer skills/quests and not much else. To consider them season updates or not season updates would not be accurate, as most of the new content don't even have a generation tag at all in package files, nor is there an associated name for them. It is not our place to judge the size of the file but if I were to use your logic, I would not call them smaller updates to that of "G18".

What is not under question: The Saga came out in the updates following "G18".
What is not certain without evidence: The name of updates, the name of storylines, and the name of "chapters".

Occam's Razor is applicable in most situations, and yes it can be wrong. No disagreements there. But I fail to see how it's application is beneficial in most situations. For example, in medicine. If one find a new illness, and that illness seems to be similar chicken pox but is not caused by the same virus as chicken pox, you do not call it chicken pox. They never claim the cause of a disease with an unknown cause is the same as another disease until there is solid proof. They do, however, mention coincidence factors, but not say those are the causes. That is what is currently being done on the saga in this wiki.

The only assumptions I have made is:

  • Updates/storylines have official names.
  • As a community, we assumed the definition of "Mainstream quests", even though the term was used very few times and it was a long time ago if at all used.


There is also the question of chapter names. Most chapters have either a name for the chapter, the mainstream storyline, or the update, usually not more than two if even two. For example, Advent of the Goddess. Is Advent of the goddess the name of the first mainstream storyline, the update it came out in, or the entire first three mainsteam storylines as a whole? Only one of those three I can confirm at the minute without research, all three first three storylines go in the "Advent of the Goddess" tab of the quest window ingame. I could probably search if "Advent of the Goddess" is used in all three contexts, and after writing this I kind of want to and think I should, but I doubt I would find it in all three contexts.

What we need is to buckle down and be strict on how we name things. A conservative method would be to leave things as is, but clearly marking on each page that it is under investigation, and one by one going by that three I mentioned before for each update. On the other hand, a radical move would be strip the wiki of all it's name for updates/storylines and its definition and use of the word "mainstream" until it is one by one confirmed. I do not necessarily support one way or the other, and am sure there are ways I didn't think of, but I do think something should be done. We shouldn't call something a thing just because it would be consistent, we need evidence.

Sorry, hit the other reply button.

Pyro - (Talk)14:00, 30 September 2013