Talk:Echostone

When it mentions re-rolling stats, it says the following currently: "You can also reroll the current grades stats with an Echostone Supplement". To clarify, does that mean if you wanted to max out your benefit you'd have to re-roll the current bonus every time you advanced in order to maximize your stone? Or does it actually mean that you could re-roll at any advancement level and be anywhere within the minimum and maximum possible benefit? IE: If I were to re-roll at advancement 23 in the chart, would I be able to get a stat bonus between 23 and 74 or would I only be able to modify my current stat bonus value by the 1-7 gain I got from the last advancement?

Annoyingly, every Grade 1-24 needs to be rerolled (while on that current grade). I made this a little clearer on the Echostone Supplement page but it feels so archaic of a system that I'm not confident on it. It's really just a method to provide perfect Echostones if you're intending on running a lot (a lot) of the dungeon.

Thanks for clarifying! Will have to keep track of my rank ups and see how much time I'm willing to spend I guess

I did some calculations for the estimated number of advancement attempts it'll take to reach next level. Should I attach this as another column to the Echostone Advancing Success Chance table? It might help people figure out how much time they are willing to spend working on their Echostones. Also, it would be nice if someone good at math would be willing to look over my numbers.

Go ahead and post them. I don't see any reason not to.

This is mostly guesswork based on what I've observed.

I went to fragment a lvl 10 blue echostone and it showed that I would get a finest echostone stimulant. So what you get back might also depend on the dungeon level since someone else said that 6~11 it was only fine....

Additionally since you can get a finest echostone stimulant at lvl 10 I believe there might be a series of potent stimulants at higher levels.

Does anyone know if echostones are limited to just one line?

You can place your current highest level stimulant in the fragment and it'll list the potential items you'll get. Grade 12 stone will list Finest echostone stimulant, ancient powder, and ????? which probably means the list of extra items

Level 8 for finest.

As well, the page mentions ancient powder but I haven't seen that show up as a result until 10.

better random stuff can be obtained from higher grades maybe?, i got 1 ancient golden crystal from a grade 25 silver echostone, i will keep fragmenting at that level to see what i can get.

Different stones seem to get different awakening bonuses, please help fill in what you have (I just added them on the individual stones pages, idk if that seems good?) ^^

Can you clarify what you mean? I know that the reforges possible for each stone are as follows:

Red: Melee, Lance Blue: Magic, Dual Gun, Music Yellow: Archery, Puppet, Life Silver: Martial Arts, Ninja, Transformation, God Black: Alchemy, Hidden Talent, Hero Talent, Set Effect

However I don't know exactly which reforges are present/which are not, currently. I'll start writing down them in the future.

that's pretty much what I mean.

Okay.

What does the "Possible Stat Gain" column represent? Numbers like 1 - 4?

If you get to grade 14, the next upgrade will increase the stone's stats by a number between 1 and 4. Min and Max shows the lowest and highest stat for that grade.

More specifically, min and max show the lowest and highest cumulative stat gain up to that level.

I understand now, I wasn't reading the table the way the creator intended.