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Windmill triggering Mineral Hail

I haven't seen a windmill party on easy yet... But it wouldn't make sense if Windmill actively triggered Mineral Hail on only Easy but not on Normal/Hard/Apostle.

Infodude575 (talk)16:16, 17 December 2014

I've done some runs on easy where people used windmill, it made it rather difficult in fact, because it kept him from using Mineral Hail.

Neo (talk)16:33, 17 December 2014
 

The point of this thread is to disprove that Windmill actively triggers Mineral Hail, because it seems to deter a lot of people from using a valid tactic.

Infodude575 (talk)17:06, 17 December 2014
 

His post does disprove it though, in some ways.

Because he used WM, Mineral Hail wasn't used.

Sakura502 (talk)17:12, 17 December 2014
 

Yes, which is the opposite of what your friend said. So that sentence is false and needs to be removed.

Infodude575 (talk)17:14, 17 December 2014
 

Spamming WM causes it to switch aggros, and thus he doesn't use Mineral Hail.

WM solo though?

Sakura502 (talk)17:19, 17 December 2014
 

It says "several members". The tip could be modified if need be.

There could be some solo tips. I only completed it once and I'm never doing it again. >.> Though, all you really need are just high-damage attacks and a high ranked Shield of Trust.

Infodude575 (talk)17:22, 17 December 2014

I'd say its valid, but only when it meets certain conditions. 1st: The must be enough high damage players to deal sufficient damage. 2nd: It isn't a training run.

Neo (talk)18:09, 17 December 2014
 

So..seeing this and I will clear it up, Windmill spamming, if doing "Non-Stop" will prevent him from using Mineral Hail, no matter what in any difficulty.


EDIT: I forgot to mention, he can use Mineral Hail after Windmill used, and no it will not cause him to use it right away, it depends on AI and HP he is currently in. I had him use hail after his successful/canceled skill.

Few days ago in my Hard Runs: Windmill was successfully executed (A member did it) --> Girgashiy's AI reset --> Girgashiy uses Soul Absorption (His HP was currently at 22% that time) --> Girgashiy's Soul Absorption canceled or finished (We canceled it) --> Girgashiy uses Mineral Hail (Girgashiy has not used Mineral Hail until now after canceled Soul Absorption).

So what happened? Because the Windmill is not used again after Soul Absorption was cancelled, therefore AI was not reset and due to that, Girgashiy immediately used Mineral Hall after that. So, to prevent it, windmill spam was necessary to keep resetting his AI so he can't use Mineral Hail (It varies after number of successful/canceled skill he used, it can happen after single or few skill used).

As a bonus, I will tell you, when Windmill was used, Girgashiy doesn't attack or use any skills for at least 1.0-1.2 seconds (At least half of Windmill's spinning animation).

Jiuhin (talk)23:30, 20 December 2014