Talk:Mari

Brief Intro?

here's what it reads now:

Mari is a fictional character in world of Mabinogi. She makes her first appearance as a protagonist in Generation One's mainstream story. She was only ten years old when she went with Ruairi and Tarlach to save the Goddess Morrighan. She's a complete separate character created by devCAT, there's neiter a record of her nor anyone with similar name appearing in actual Irish Mythology.

I personally feel there are excessive information outside of the game in this paragraph to be shown as the very first thing a reader sees when he or she comes to this page. With the mythology reference I think it should be appropriate to put it at the bottom, Trivia section. --Kgptzac 08:17, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

also, I'm putting up the spoiler warning for the entire article until the original author or someone else kindly enough to separate common info from the more in-depth spoiler of G1. --Kgptzac 08:19, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

I think Mari might be Marie from irish mtyology. --Hawk400206

Hey, I played at mari in the very first dungeon, alby. She did not have Arrow Revolver, and even when I tried pressing ranged attack multiple times, nothing changed. If this is purely for the alby dungeon, this should be noted. Novaix 11:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

She has revolver in the second RP. - Random

The page already says specificllay "In the G1 Rabbie" which is the Albey RP. ---Angevon 21:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The curses

I've just realised, I think the curses have been interpreted wrongly.

"I can see everything... All of your futures... I see someone who will have to give up everything... There's also someone who gets what he wants but won't be able to handle it... There's also one who will live in physical and mental agony forever... Hahaha!! Poor souls! You will live forever in the curse of the Goddess!"

It's obvious that Tarlach's curse is There's also one who will live in physical and mental agony forever..., but the article states that Ruari's curse is I see someone who will have to give up everything..., when he didn't give up everything, he still had his life. Mari, on the other hand, gave up everything, her family, life, bow, etc. A further clue as to who's curse is who's:

There's also someone who gets what he wants but won't be able to handle it...

It just clicked in my head, seeing as I saw the Mari page randomly appear. ~Zallist 20:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this may be a translation thing. The text on the wiki is wrong. Ingame, it says "what he or she wants". Luridel 21:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

But the other correlation still makes more sense than the current deduction, no? ~Zallist 21:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It is my opinion that ~Zallist's interpretation may have more merit than it is currently given. Whereas it is apparent which curse belongs to Tarlach, the other two curses may be subject to interpretation.

However...

If Ruiari were to be the one to give up everything, it still wouldn't explain what Mari can't handle in the 2nd curse.

If Mari were to be the one to give up everything (especially that she has become Nao), then Ruiari will be able to get what he wants (which I assume to be some modicum of fame, or else something involving paladins) but not be able to handle it (becoming el DK numero dos).

We should put that out to whoever manages this article. If nothing is forthcoming, there may be need of unilateral action.ZidaneTribal 04:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ruairi's the one who gives up everything: as he DOES lose his life.Novaix 07:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No he doesn't. He shows up in G8, then walks away, it doesn't say he died or not. I personally believe that he gets power then can't handle it, as a Dark Knight.--Xamsej 12:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Morgant, their enemy at the time, tells a prophecy of bad things happening to them. In what way is this proof that the curse is in anyway real. Morgant appears to like playing mind games, he knows their history and he was setting them up. This so called curse has helped make Ruari do what Morgant wants, has made Tarlach's burden of guilt even heavier and wouldn't have helped Mari's feelings of self worth after being seperated from her friends. Dividing your enemies is always a good strategy. Also, like horoscopes, this curse is so vague that it could be interpreted as meaning very different things (see above arguements). Basically, we shouldn't put our theories as facts and Nexon has not stated in-game whether there actually is a curse and who specifically was effected by the curse (if it was real). Besides Morgant is supposedly Human, Nexon has not indicated he is a seer and Morrighan DID NOT CURSE THEM. Morgant was working for Cichol disguised as Morrighan and he knew it was Cichol, unlike Mores. So, "You will live forever in the curse of the Goddess!" is an outright lie by Morgant. --ZRoc (Talk) 04:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes ZRoc but in a way those things do somewhat come true.

And I want to point something out as well.. This is my theory; Tarlach is in mental and physical agony, obviously. Ruairi gave up everything. Mari got what she wanted but can't handle it. She wears a complete torque, supposed to resemble Mores' and Sheila's broken torques. Which means she got her memory back, both broken torques. That's what she wanted, she wanted to know her parents, but she couldn't handle the truth. Even though the true Goddess did not 'curse' them, it was just meant to be a 'foreseen' thing. There is more than one meaning to the word 'curse' :s --Ashe 11:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way, a curse means a curse, he specifically stated "You will live forever in the curse of the Goddess!", which is an outright lie. Also, as all three are still alive (admittedly Nao is a rebirthed version of Mari) and he said "forever", then that means it will never stop or does forever now have a time limit? If you say he was exagerrating or using poetic license then that's just another way of saying he was lying. Without further information, you can only go by what Morgant said. Anyway, there is no proof that a curse even exists and even if it did it's open to debate what it exactly meant. Theories are nice but that's all they are and stating on Mari's page that the curse is real, that it was effective and had a certain outcome is speculation and is not stating known facts. We won't know unless Nexon provides some form of evidence and I don't think they care, as it was probably only meant as something to move the story along (i.e., they probably will never bother to explain if the curse was real or not). --ZRoc (Talk) 20:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

The curses may have been a lie on Morgant's part, but if it is any more pleasing, you can think of them as 'predictions'. Maybe the 'fact' that they were curses was the lie, but they still can stand as predictions of what is to come.

Tarlach's prediction came true; he lives in mental and physical agony (Bearlach), though the mentality portion may have eased a bit upon realization that his friends were still alive.
Ruairi's prediction: he got what he wanted, but was unable to handle it. For people who don't agree with me, here is my explanation: he wanted to become a Paladin, to use power to protect those important to him (or something like that). Aside from failing to become a Paladin, he did eventually get the power upon turning to the Dark Knights, but he was unable to handle it, by misusing said power (using it for the wrong reasons: revenge), until the very end. At which point, he was still unable to use said power to save his friends from Cichol, and ultimately failed. Let's not forget that he completely hates the player/hero for 'killing' Rian (as far as Ruairi knows; I don't think he ever learned the truth), and if I'm not mistaken, still vows revenge on the player/hero. And to delve further, his story isn't finished, as we last see him departing for Uladh (or wherever Carasek would take him) as the epilogue of Generation 8. Perhaps I'm looking to deep into it, but I don't think they'd just show him, just so we know where he went (though maybe they would, though I highly doubt that); it's clearly foreshadowing (part of Chapter 4, maybe 5). There is still room to expand upon Ruairi, and possibilities of a connection to said curses/predictions.

Let us say Ruairi was 'lost everything'. I have to ask, what did he lose? I suppose he lost his brother, but he didn't lose EVERYTHING (his friends; though he thought he did for a period of time). I just don't see that as being plausible.

Mari's prediction would have to be losing everything. She lost her body, her life (death; rebirth to Nao), her "life" (Tir Chonaill/Erinn, contact with her friends, etc) - Nao lives in the Soul Stream; she gave up/lost everything to become Nao and bring Milletians to Erinn.

The other way, I can't understand how Mari 'got what she wanted, but was unable to handle it'. The only thing I can see fitting that is how Mari wanted larger breasts, and got them as Nao, but was unable to handle them, by tailoring a dress too small for herself: As a young girl, she was actually rather small, and she felt jealous of other girls who 'matured' sooner than she did. However, as an adult, she is large (in more ways than one). She tailored her own dress, but the top is too small for her size. And that is just too humorous to fit the dark setting of said predictions/curses.

Either way, forgive my input; this topic is still somewhat fresh (the end of 2009?! this late into Mabinogi?!), so I felt like adding some of my own, needless, input. --Rusty 17:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realise this topic would create such debate when I first put forward the idea of the curses being incorrect.

I am now going to put forward this idea: We should now change the pages to show that either may be correct.

That way, we avoid any more discussion and everyone is happy. ~Zallist 17:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Been months and there seems to be no argument against this, so I will, k? (Probably the biggest thing going for your idea is this bit from the [Nao] page: "If you talk to Nao about "Private Story" after you talk about her friend, she will tell you that her friend achieved ultimate power, and that it destroyed him.". Sounds like a rather anvilicious reference to "There's also someone who gets what he wants but won't be able to handle it", if you ask me.) Eralea 20:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)