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|Cessair and Cessair's Heart?||17||22:15, 2 August 2013|
|So...||33||09:57, 22 July 2013|
Yeah one of the Cessair members says this...does that mean...it's an Ancient Civilization/Cult that wanted to see Macha Rise? I mean Heart was certainly waiting for it.
Well remember, a few hundred years isn't that old for a Tuatha, I would say a few generations, not ancient. But we do not know if that was Heart's intent, to summon Macha (or become Macha, unclear on what really happened).
Wouldn't that make them Partholons or something? I mean, Tuatha began when Shakespeare arrived.
There was at least one other mention of Cessair during G10 Neamhain's Memorial, it's in the cutscene seen here:
I did that quest a few days ago and the spelling is corrected to say Cessair in place of Quasar.
Holy shit, everything in that cutscene is happening in the Saga. (Except more flowers are blooming in Connous and Physis, not less.)
As for the Partholon thing, that is unclear.
Ok, I found something more. The words in that cutscene are not the first time they are heard in similiar form. Nele's song about Macha from G3 (The Goddess' Curse, full text accessible here , scroll down to Nele) uses a sentence "Dé Danann's warriors on the other side of Heaven" in place of "Descendants of Cessair" from the cutscene. Nearly everything is pictured exactly the same in both the cutscene and the song.
So if we put all the information together, if Tuatha De Dananns are descendants of Partholons and at the same time are descendants of Cessair... That would make Cessair the same as Partholonians.
Actually, I'm interested when does the sentence that started this discussion appear during the game. Apart from that, I found something small, but I think it could be quite relevant to the topic. During G11 quest "Goddess Needle" Python Knight states the following: "For thousands of years, I've waited". The sentence in the topic also states "thousands of years". Quite a coincidence, but if we take into account Python Knight's identity and the fact that we're trying to connect Partholons and Cessair, this finding could reinforce the theory.
Mm, that does make sense, considering that Gods tried to massacre the Partholons and in return Python Knight wanted revenge. I'd be a bit surprised if he actually returns.
... I... heard something about Cessair in G7 or G8. Something about being Adniel's first conductor that was swallowed by darkness.
I never did G7 so I have no idea, and the Strategy Guide doesn't seem to mention anything about Cessair.
Going through (or...trying...) G7 and eeeeventually G8 *shrugs*
I'll keep detailed notes if needed or...even a script.
How come there is no page for the monster version of unknown man/cessair? Or maybe I'm just too stupid to find it :|
Where's the image for Black Mask and Cessair's Heart, robed I mean?
No, I'm asking on the Wiki; why don't we have them yet?
One is Black mask's right hand person in which she will only talk to Black mask...I think I dunno I just saw the robe description and assumed so.
There's an NPC called Cessair's Heart in that EP5 RP.
The Saga minipage claims that the organization is called Cessair, so theoretically, all of the members could be called 'Cessair', so Cessair's Heart should be an important person within the organization, possibly a title or a rank.
I'm guessing the grunts used to be called 'unknown men', because we literally did not know where they came from or who they were, but now that we know the organization's name, they're just called Cessair.
From what I gathered...Unknown Men > Cessiar > Cessiar's Heart > Black Mask.
Each notable NPC should get its own page, not share this page, why is Black Mask here?
Because we don't want to spoiler by redirecting him to ...you-know-who. And no, I don't mean Voldemort.
Because Morgant doesn't have his own page and he shares a page with Lugh, yes. Black Mask deserves his own page, not sharing it with Unknown Men, not sharing it with Voldemort (though it should contain similar information).
Can't we wait until it's not an unreleased spoiler before moving it?
Himself...Bear....oh god, and Ruairi already has 2. so why not 8D
Oh, I forgot the bear... So that'd be four: Tarlach, Bear, Unknown Man, and Black Mask...
This Unknown man is Cessiar...then who are the other Unknown men?
The unknown man isn't just one. They're actually a group of people who oppose the shamans. Ruairi is counted as one of their ranks. Later Tarlach is found to be one of them. Their goal later on in episode 10 is to sacrifice Millia in order to bring Macha back, which they did, when Tarlach restored the Lia Fial from g3. Cessair is one of the more influential people of them. Another would be Quasar's Heart who is also a dual wielding girl. They each work together but have their own agendas. They oppose the shamans who wish to keep the dragons under control.
As miyuna said, there are multiple unknown map. The one in particular seen in G17 is NOT Caesar for sure. Reason being.  Caesar is the right one, you can tell she's different because, well, she's female so she has more obvious breasts, on her model too, and her portrait has no scarf and different decorations.
Then, who IS the middle one, and who's the white one?
The white one unmasked is Tarlach. He's wearing the same colors in his older G18 image on his profile page.
Here's something I didn't catch: How is Tarlach able to leave the Altar of Druids?
Has something to do with the purple circular thing Ruairi gives him.
The middle one could be Ruairi, or it could be a random member of their organization. Also, I don't know if Quasar is one of the middle or if she has an icon similar to Caesar Heart's.
According to Mabination's translation of an official map of the relationships, here, Quasar seems to be the name of the organization that opposes the masked men.
Then again, they labeled the generic subordinate masked man as Cessair, and the female superior masked man as a generic, so I guess we can't even trust KR Nexon to get it right.
I may be wrong about Quasar being an actual member, but Cessair is DEFINITELY female, we see her with the robe off later.
I have a question: Do we fight any of those major "Unknown Men"?
What the hell, we helped him and now he turns on us!?
I really don't want to spoil much, so I kept my mouth shut...
But the reason Tarlach is helping Ruairi is a much much deeper reason than simply "opposing" us.
All I know is Tarlach is helping Ruairi find out the truth about Triona's death. Technically WE are the bad guys in this scenerio.
Dammit, again? They should have questioned their "precious goddess".
I'll give you some storyline hints:
1) Ruairi is looking for someone, should be obvious 2) Ruairi is sent to kill Shamala for the XX Clan 3) However, Ruairi is unabled to do so because he still has "good" in him 4) We're not the only ones who are experiencing a corrupt added soul phenomenon, in fact, you find out later that it is only Milletians being affected. 5) The artifact that Shamala and Akule is holding allows one to clear possible influence and curses (hint hint) 6) Ruairi feels betrayed by Millia after she takes him to the Shamans (his enemies) to get healed, though in the process, she never reveals who he is to the Shamans. This prompts Ruairi to turn to Uladh again for a reason 7) The giants are responsible for something 8) Remember the giant civil war? 9) Every Masked Man (at least the named ones) has a very own persona agenda 10) Even though you are the Golden Dragon Conductor, you are still connected to the dragons, yet why does Ruairi have the cursed dragon arm?
Piece it out together. =)
I wanted to ask that, but wasn't it about Kirine and Krug secretly ordering Taunes' men to abandon him or something? Then, when he comes back, Krug tries to arrest him because he refused to lead another assault on the elves.
I'll recap the giant civil war:
A long time ago, Krug's father waged war with the elves. It was a bloody war that lasted a while, but during that time, Krug's father died. With the missing throne, there were people who fought for the crown, not just Krug. Among these people were Zeder's father, who was largely popular. He wanted to end the war and usher in peace with the elves. However, Krug, disliking that Zeder's father was opposing everything that his father stood for and his popular support nearing him to the crown, had Zeder's father assassinated. With Zeder's father dead, he took the throne without question and became the king. He then continued his father's campaign to annihilate the elves and the war. However, he knew that Zeder's father had a son, namely Zeder, so he had Wanst adopt Zeder to raise him and keep him under surveillance in case he were to end up like his father and fight Krug for power. Up to this day, Zeder, fully aware of what happened, is secretly sharpening his blade of revenge.
Not everyone bothers to datadive for the story or raise npc affection to hear more indepth stories about the giants.
Last edit: 14:45, 6 July 2013
Or dig into the files to read NPC dialogues.