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Thousands of years of oppression?1219:27, 14 November 2014
Monster version209:00, 3 September 2013
NPC Images413:20, 13 August 2013
Cessair and Cessair's Heart?1722:15, 2 August 2013
So...3309:57, 22 July 2013

Thousands of years of oppression?

Yeah one of the Cessair members says this...does that mean...it's an Ancient Civilization/Cult that wanted to see Macha Rise? I mean Heart was certainly waiting for it.

まそっぷ ! (talk)21:30, 2 September 2013

Well remember, a few hundred years isn't that old for a Tuatha, I would say a few generations, not ancient. But we do not know if that was Heart's intent, to summon Macha (or become Macha, unclear on what really happened).

Pyro - (Talk)00:33, 3 September 2013
 

Wouldn't that make them Partholons or something? I mean, Tuatha began when Shakespeare arrived.

Infodude575 (talk)00:37, 3 September 2013
 

There was at least one other mention of Cessair during G10 Neamhain's Memorial, it's in the cutscene seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuNgqc9-Y9w
I did that quest a few days ago and the spelling is corrected to say Cessair in place of Quasar.

Itachin (talk)01:10, 3 September 2013
 

Holy shit, everything in that cutscene is happening in the Saga. (Except more flowers are blooming in Connous and Physis, not less.)
As for the Partholon thing, that is unclear.

Pyro - (Talk)01:19, 3 September 2013
 

Ok, I found something more. The words in that cutscene are not the first time they are heard in similiar form. Nele's song about Macha from G3 (The Goddess' Curse, full text accessible here [1], scroll down to Nele) uses a sentence "Dé Danann's warriors on the other side of Heaven" in place of "Descendants of Cessair" from the cutscene. Nearly everything is pictured exactly the same in both the cutscene and the song.
So if we put all the information together, if Tuatha De Dananns are descendants of Partholons and at the same time are descendants of Cessair... That would make Cessair the same as Partholonians.

Itachin (talk)02:10, 3 September 2013
 

...strange stuff indeed...

まそっぷ ! (talk)08:49, 3 September 2013
 

Actually, I'm interested when does the sentence that started this discussion appear during the game. Apart from that, I found something small, but I think it could be quite relevant to the topic. During G11 quest "Goddess Needle" Python Knight states the following: "For thousands of years, I've waited". The sentence in the topic also states "thousands of years". Quite a coincidence, but if we take into account Python Knight's identity and the fact that we're trying to connect Partholons and Cessair, this finding could reinforce the theory.

Itachin (talk)14:30, 3 September 2013
 

Mm, that does make sense, considering that Gods tried to massacre the Partholons and in return Python Knight wanted revenge. I'd be a bit surprised if he actually returns.

Infodude575 (talk)16:14, 3 September 2013
 

... I... heard something about Cessair in G7 or G8. Something about being Adniel's first conductor that was swallowed by darkness.

I never did G7 so I have no idea, and the Strategy Guide doesn't seem to mention anything about Cessair.

Infodude575 (talk)18:46, 19 September 2013
 

Going through (or...trying...) G7 and eeeeventually G8 *shrugs*

I'll keep detailed notes if needed or...even a script.

まそっぷ ! (talk)21:15, 19 September 2013
 

Oh, Aubog found it. Thank you.

Infodude575 (talk)10:09, 20 September 2013
 
 
 
Dian Cecht ruled over the Cessair. Our power came from a contract with a great golden dragon.
 

 

—Cessair's Heart, Iria II: Episode 6 - Ritual and Sacrifice

So, it's confirmed. Cessair / Heart were the former conductor of Adniel.

Infodude575 (talk)19:27, 14 November 2014
 

Monster version

How come there is no page for the monster version of unknown man/cessair? Or maybe I'm just too stupid to find it :|

Nedo147 (talk)08:50, 3 September 2013

There isn't one. People are just lazy to make template :s It's not hard to copy and paste one and refill information @@...

まそっぷ ! (talk)08:55, 3 September 2013
 

Yeah I was looking for strategies to kill them on a weak alt.

Nedo147 (talk)09:00, 3 September 2013
 

NPC Images

Where's the image for Black Mask and Cessair's Heart, robed I mean?

Infodude575 (talk)11:02, 11 August 2013

You are asking where in Mining.png?

Pyro - (Talk)00:47, 12 August 2013
 

No, I'm asking on the Wiki; why don't we have them yet?

Infodude575 (talk)00:56, 12 August 2013
 

If you know where in Mining.png then why don't you upload it yourself? We don't even have a page for Cessair's Heart yet as far as I know.

Pyro - (Talk)15:26, 12 August 2013
 

I threw away my Pickaxe.png and gave up Mining Use.png.

Infodude575 (talk)15:28, 12 August 2013
 

Cessair and Cessair's Heart?

Why are there two Cessairs? What's the difference?

Infodude575 (talk)14:53, 2 August 2013

One is Black mask's right hand person in which she will only talk to Black mask...I think I dunno I just saw the robe description and assumed so.

まそっぷ ! (talk)15:09, 2 August 2013
 

There's an NPC called Cessair's Heart in that EP5 RP.

Infodude575 (talk)15:11, 2 August 2013
 

I know...I was just there.

まそっぷ ! (talk)15:12, 2 August 2013
 

The Saga minipage claims that the organization is called Cessair, so theoretically, all of the members could be called 'Cessair', so Cessair's Heart should be an important person within the organization, possibly a title or a rank.

I'm guessing the grunts used to be called 'unknown men', because we literally did not know where they came from or who they were, but now that we know the organization's name, they're just called Cessair.

Oneris (talk)15:23, 2 August 2013
 

From what I gathered...Unknown Men > Cessiar > Cessiar's Heart > Black Mask.

まそっぷ ! (talk)15:27, 2 August 2013
 

Each notable NPC should get its own page, not share this page, why is Black Mask here?

Pyro - (Talk)19:04, 2 August 2013
 

Because we don't want to spoiler by redirecting him to ...you-know-who. And no, I don't mean Voldemort.

Oneris (talk)19:15, 2 August 2013

Because Morgant doesn't have his own page and he shares a page with Lugh, yes. Black Mask deserves his own page, not sharing it with Unknown Men, not sharing it with Voldemort (though it should contain similar information).

Pyro - (Talk)20:25, 2 August 2013
 

Can't we wait until it's not an unreleased spoiler before moving it?

Oneris (talk)20:39, 2 August 2013

Why would it be a spoiler?. . . For now we just give him his own page and don't mention he's tarlach yet.

Pyro - (Talk)22:09, 2 August 2013
 

Oh, I thought you mean merge him with Tarlach. Sorry. I'm all for giving him his own page, though.

Oneris (talk)22:15, 2 August 2013
 

Wouldn't this give Tarlach three separate pages? O-o

Infodude575 (talk)20:40, 2 August 2013

Himself...Bear....oh god, and Ruairi already has 2. so why not 8D

まそっぷ ! (talk)20:41, 2 August 2013
 

Oh, I forgot the bear... So that'd be four: Tarlach, Bear, Unknown Man, and Black Mask...

Infodude575 (talk)20:45, 2 August 2013
 

He doens't need to be linked to unknown man since day one introduced him as "Black Mask." Seriously.

まそっぷ ! (talk)20:46, 2 August 2013
 

Personaly I don't care. As stated earlier I lumped them here for easy findability (If that's even a word...though no one uploaded the NPC images ._.;;)

まそっぷ ! (talk)20:41, 2 August 2013
 

lol Oneris. and becaues I palced that there considering he is well...currently unknown at the time. feel free to move it. idc.

まそっぷ ! (talk)19:19, 2 August 2013
 

This Unknown man is Cessiar...then who are the other Unknown men?

まそっぷ ! (talk)05:44, 29 June 2013

The unknown man isn't just one. They're actually a group of people who oppose the shamans. Ruairi is counted as one of their ranks. Later Tarlach is found to be one of them. Their goal later on in episode 10 is to sacrifice Millia in order to bring Macha back, which they did, when Tarlach restored the Lia Fial from g3. Cessair is one of the more influential people of them. Another would be Quasar's Heart who is also a dual wielding girl. They each work together but have their own agendas. They oppose the shamans who wish to keep the dragons under control.

Miyuna (talk)06:31, 29 June 2013
 

Why do they want Macha and the dragons? O-o

Infodude575 (talk)10:00, 29 June 2013
 

As miyuna said, there are multiple unknown map. The one in particular seen in G17 is NOT Caesar for sure. Reason being. [1] Caesar is the right one, you can tell she's different because, well, she's female so she has more obvious breasts, on her model too, and her portrait has no scarf and different decorations.

Pyro - (Talk)04:07, 4 July 2013
 

Then, who IS the middle one, and who's the white one?

Infodude575 (talk)11:54, 4 July 2013
 

The white one unmasked is Tarlach. He's wearing the same colors in his older G18 image on his profile page.

Oneris (talk)14:57, 4 July 2013

Here's something I didn't catch: How is Tarlach able to leave the Altar of Druids?

Infodude575 (talk)11:25, 21 July 2013
 

Has something to do with the purple circular thing Ruairi gives him.

Pyro - (Talk)15:44, 21 July 2013
 

Let me guess, he stole it from Millia or us?

Infodude575 (talk)09:23, 22 July 2013
 

He obviously obtained it before our start of G18.

Pyro - (Talk)09:52, 22 July 2013
 

Ah, of course...

Infodude575 (talk)09:57, 22 July 2013
 

Oh yay, Tarlach becomes a bad guy!

Infodude575 (talk)15:50, 4 July 2013
 

The middle one could be Ruairi, or it could be a random member of their organization. Also, I don't know if Quasar is one of the middle or if she has an icon similar to Caesar Heart's.

Pyro - (Talk)18:17, 4 July 2013
 

According to Mabination's translation of an official map of the relationships, here, Quasar seems to be the name of the organization that opposes the masked men.

Then again, they labeled the generic subordinate masked man as Cessair, and the female superior masked man as a generic, so I guess we can't even trust KR Nexon to get it right.

Oneris (talk)13:12, 5 July 2013
 

So this:
Unknown Man (No Mask).png
has absolutely no reason to exist what so ever?

まそっぷ ! (talk)13:15, 5 July 2013
 

I may be wrong about Quasar being an actual member, but Cessair is DEFINITELY female, we see her with the robe off later.

Pyro - (Talk)15:30, 5 July 2013
 

I have a question: Do we fight any of those major "Unknown Men"?

Infodude575 (talk)15:40, 5 July 2013
 

We fight Tarlach, I don't know about Ruairi or Cessair.

Pyro - (Talk)16:20, 5 July 2013
 

What the hell, we helped him and now he turns on us!?

Infodude575 (talk)16:45, 5 July 2013

I really don't want to spoil much, so I kept my mouth shut...

But the reason Tarlach is helping Ruairi is a much much deeper reason than simply "opposing" us.

Miyuna (talk)17:16, 5 July 2013

Just say it dammit D:

Infodude575 (talk)17:49, 5 July 2013
 

All I know is Tarlach is helping Ruairi find out the truth about Triona's death. Technically WE are the bad guys in this scenerio.

Pyro - (Talk)18:11, 5 July 2013
 

Dammit, again? They should have questioned their "precious goddess".

Infodude575 (talk)18:14, 5 July 2013

I'll give you some storyline hints:

1) Ruairi is looking for someone, should be obvious 2) Ruairi is sent to kill Shamala for the XX Clan 3) However, Ruairi is unabled to do so because he still has "good" in him 4) We're not the only ones who are experiencing a corrupt added soul phenomenon, in fact, you find out later that it is only Milletians being affected. 5) The artifact that Shamala and Akule is holding allows one to clear possible influence and curses (hint hint) 6) Ruairi feels betrayed by Millia after she takes him to the Shamans (his enemies) to get healed, though in the process, she never reveals who he is to the Shamans. This prompts Ruairi to turn to Uladh again for a reason 7) The giants are responsible for something 8) Remember the giant civil war? 9) Every Masked Man (at least the named ones) has a very own persona agenda 10) Even though you are the Golden Dragon Conductor, you are still connected to the dragons, yet why does Ruairi have the cursed dragon arm?

Piece it out together. =)

Miyuna (talk)20:15, 5 July 2013
 

What Giant civil war?

Pyro - (Talk)00:50, 6 July 2013
 

I wanted to ask that, but wasn't it about Kirine and Krug secretly ordering Taunes' men to abandon him or something? Then, when he comes back, Krug tries to arrest him because he refused to lead another assault on the elves.

Infodude575 (talk)00:55, 6 July 2013

I'll recap the giant civil war:

A long time ago, Krug's father waged war with the elves. It was a bloody war that lasted a while, but during that time, Krug's father died. With the missing throne, there were people who fought for the crown, not just Krug. Among these people were Zeder's father, who was largely popular. He wanted to end the war and usher in peace with the elves. However, Krug, disliking that Zeder's father was opposing everything that his father stood for and his popular support nearing him to the crown, had Zeder's father assassinated. With Zeder's father dead, he took the throne without question and became the king. He then continued his father's campaign to annihilate the elves and the war. However, he knew that Zeder's father had a son, namely Zeder, so he had Wanst adopt Zeder to raise him and keep him under surveillance in case he were to end up like his father and fight Krug for power. Up to this day, Zeder, fully aware of what happened, is secretly sharpening his blade of revenge.

Miyuna (talk)09:02, 6 July 2013

Mm, how come we don't have recorded at all?

Infodude575 (talk)10:55, 6 July 2013

Not everyone bothers to datadive for the story or raise npc affection to hear more indepth stories about the giants.

Miyuna (talk)12:19, 6 July 2013
 
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Last edit: 14:45, 6 July 2013

Or dig into the files to read NPC dialogues.

Infodude575 (talk)12:23, 6 July 2013

Dialogue is server-side, otherwise we'd have all the keyword responses already.

Angevon (Talk)13:05, 6 July 2013
 

DAMMIT!!!

Infodude575 (talk)16:33, 6 July 2013
 
 

I wanna know, what's with the absurd amount of fortification around Shyllien, Hillwen, and that Mysterious Karu Forest Ruins.

Infodude575 (talk)13:13, 11 July 2013
 
 
 
 

Friendship....FRIENDSHIP :D....I don't really know to be honest...just wanted to always say that.

まそっぷ ! (talk)17:17, 5 July 2013