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Shooting myself in the foot but...

Assuming we're keeping this category, shouldn't Shiela also be on here?

Infodude575 (talk)01:13, 7 March 2014

bwahaha my knowledge of horror is going to pay off 8D

Lingering Ghost ≠ Wandering spirit

Shiela died and obviously isn't aware she's dead, which is pretty evident as she tries to get Mores' attention as I recall. Ghosts, good or bad, are bound to to the earth until they either move on or accept what has happened. Sometimes Ghosts are even bounded to something, such as an object...again which is evident as the other broken Torque given by Duncan contained Shelia's memories...or in this case, memories after she died. Spirits can come and go as they please, regardless of nature. At least in some cases, Ghosts and spirits can manifest into the physical realm, which is why Milletians can harm ghosts in Peaca (Skeleton ghosts inhabit skeletons while Gold mask Ghosts possesses...a Gold mask.) Spirit on the other hand, can also manifest into physical forms which would, again, be why Milletians can talk to Aer, despite being bound to where she is.

Of course, on a general term...yeah you could say she's a spirit, but hell should I know...honestly it's public opinion. Some say they are the same, while others are different about it. Of course there's also translation issues where you can't exactly translate ghost to spirit or vice versa...much like how "The Holy Ghost" and "The Holy Spirit" are very much the same, but well...two different translations. Honestly I'll just leave that to the general opinion on who goes where...if a fight breaks out then, obviously, some action will be take.

If this category is being maintained rather than deleted, then perhaps it would be better to create a broader category name that satisfies Eiry, Aer, and Shiela? I also don't really see a reason to separate Aer to a mainstream only version of the category, especially since she is still present outside of mainstream quests and has SOME use.

Kapra - (Talk)16:02, 7 March 2014
 

What does being a Milletian have to do with physically harming a ghost or seeing a spirit? There were Ghost Cloakers in G16 who fought against the Aliech Kingdom, and Nele even witnessed Aer with his own eyes.

Infodude575 (talk)12:26, 7 March 2014

Well I only stated Milletians because:

  • Most predominant race and mostly roaming about doing the quests.
  • Using it as a general term for human/elves/giants
  • I never said it was limited to Milletians?
 

I'm just going to quote from one of the old talk page discussion.

 
 
Shiela is a ghost, which I consider a spirit, but others might define spirit as a being which personifies an aspect of the world, such as Aer for water.
 

 

Sephy

Aer and the Spirit Weapon NPCs are well spirits, but they're not dead nor they have ever mentioned being 'alive'(as far as I know). So possibly, in Mabi Ghosts =/= Spirits.

Nise Panda (talk)12:35, 7 March 2014