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Generation 17 and Generation 18

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Hi Kadalyn,

I thought it would be best to contact you about something that has been bothering me:

The Chapter Info menu in-game officially lists The Saga: Iria as Generation 17 with The Saga: Iria II being Generation 18. Should the current names "The Saga: Iria" and "The Saga: Iria II" remain as they are on their respective pages, or should the names be changed to contain the Generation indicators? And... if the names require a change, what should they be? I'm thinking "Generation 17: The Saga: Iria" might not be proper with the two colons.

Lalunae (talk)10:24, 9 August 2019

This is weird and annoying because Generation 17 currently redirects to Nightmare.

You're right that this should be addressed somehow, but I'm not up to figure out what to do about Nightmare right now.

Kadalyn (talk)23:47, 12 August 2019

For the redirect problem, I've been trying to figure out how to fix that and add the navigation thingy (each Gen has it at the top and bottom of their pages) to EP 0's page, but it's been going over my head. I can see the code for it when I inspect the page in Chrome, but I don't think I'm equipped to change that since it's not actually part of the edit-able Wiki page.

It's fine, though. It's older content and I haven't seen anyone point out any issues with it so far.

Lalunae (talk)10:26, 13 August 2019

Everything is part of the editable wiki page, I'm not sure what you mean.

If you don't see the text when you click Edit it's because it's transcluded. You just have to dive into the templates the page includes. That part is here: Template:Generation

But my concern is more one of, what actually is Nightmare, then? Is it not a generation, just a very long side-quest??

Kadalyn (talk)10:54, 13 August 2019

Aaaah, thanks. I didn't know about the template page, heh.

Both Shamala and Nightmare are officially considered EP 0 of The Saga: Iria, so it's under that umbrella now. I made a small change to the Generation template and checked it on the affected pages. It worked. Does it also help with the Nightmare redirect problem you mentioned before?

Lalunae (talk)11:27, 13 August 2019

No, if you type Generation 17 into the search bar you'll see a bunch of Nightmare suggestions.

Those redirects do need to be changed, but after figuring out the new structure. That template was only one very small part of a bigger issue.

If it's EP 0, okay, I guess that's sort of how it's considered now by the page name.

These are places I know of off-hand that needs updates. I don't mind doing it myself, but before any edits, I want to know where it shows up in the generation list in game if at all? Or if you start Saga 1, does it start Nightmare first? Is it just something distinct and sort of unofficial like G7? I don't know how it fits in exactly and don't want to go changing names before that.

If it shows up under the G17 veil truly (and I worry about this because it could be a precursor to "saga" more generally than a precursor to only Saga 1), we could simply make Generation 17 a page that lists all the parts of it, including Nightmare. Otherwise, we could make 17 and 18 pages that have the Saga 1 & 2 episode lists respectively, then have a page that contains all the Saga episodes including Nightmare. I can't get in game to look at the list anytime soon, though.

Kadalyn (talk)11:39, 13 August 2019

When you open up the Chapter menu (which replaced the Saga menu) and go over to the first Saga under Chapter 5, it will be listed in the episode list just like any other episode. The quest chain starts at "Black Panther Panic", which is before Nightmare. Specifically the "Shamala" part of Shamala and Nightmare.

  • I have found that "Rumors of Transformation" and "Transformation Training" are now listed under the "Skill" tab in your quest list.

Do you mean that G17 and G18 would redirect to respective disambiguation pages listing out all of the parts/episodes of each? If so, then that works for me.

Lalunae (talk)13:38, 13 August 2019

Okay that sounds good, so Nightmare can go on the G17 page.

I wouldn't call it a disambiguation page really, since they're all parts of one whole (and not distinct entities with name collisions). The Saga: Iria actually exists so I'll just redirect G17 refs there.

Kadalyn (talk)13:51, 13 August 2019

I believe I got everything. I feel a little weird about how G17 is in the Patches but it should be okay for now.

Kadalyn (talk)14:51, 13 August 2019

Aww, I would've taken care of it. Thanks a lot. :)

Lalunae (talk)15:45, 13 August 2019