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Jesus. Firstly, saiyr's job is administration of the server and software, he doesn't need to nor does he want to deal with social drama. Angevon and I are here for that, so please come to us. Secondly, you never need to request permission to PM an admin, or email those of us that offer the button on the forum.

Lastly, I can feel Ikkisuki's tension here but from what I've seen so far he hasn't been necessarily dickish about it. It only seems to degrade into dickishness in the linked when you both become sarcastic and unbearable. If I were to ban either of you (temporarily) based on that thread, it would be both of you.

I'm glad you made a thread to discuss it, but in the future, Infodude, do so earlier. Don't simply revert a removal like that because you should know that it's going to be removed, again. That is the point when you should make the thread to discuss the issue with the person. If necessary please contact an admin (namely Angevon) to make an absolute ruling on the matter. Preferably, it can be solved by the users on the page's discussion section, though.

Ikkisuki, it's something I've had to talk to you about before and I'll do it again, but do try to curse at people less and be more respectful. To me, it seems a tolerable level, generally, but if it's going to be constant or drive people off I will have to ban you for it.

Infodude, many of your contributions are in fact silly and unwarranted if not outright misinformed. I will require you to take heed of criticism or you may face a ban as well. I also recommend that you study the nature of arguments and burden of proof. There are others on the wiki that I would recommend that to, as well. The reason that many of these threads escalate into hurting your feelings is often because of your own hardheadedness irritating others enough that they come to use stronger words and more aggressive tactics in an effort to get their point across. That's likely not always the case, but it happens enough that it's worth mentioning.

Ikkisuki's user page doesn't seem to be bashing you in particular, but in more of the form of making a political statement. That's more or less okay to do, as immature as it is. If he was still admin, I'd force him to remove it, but at current status I'll allow it. I would highly recommend attempting to understand what he's trying to convey, rather than dismissing it outright, since he obviously had enough frustration behind it to take the time to make such a complex statement. Of course, I'm not telling you to agree with it.

Ikkisuki, similarly, you need to learn when too much is too much. Some people can take the heat and some can't. It's okay to not be able to, it's certainly no disability like many netizens seem to think. You've been handling the majority of this thread in a civil way, and I thank you for that at least. And coming from me, you at least, should know that means something. Nonetheless, in the linked thread and several memos I've found floating around, you could stand to lose the aggressive air a bit, even if you don't feel he deserves your respect.

Lastly, this is final. I expect you both to uphold the doctrines of this treatise or I will ban you. No arguments, either. If anyone sees them bickering please report it to me or Angevon. I will inform her of this ruling, as well.

Kadalyn (talk)22:10, 23 August 2013
 
 
do try to curse at people less and be more respectful
 

 

I do not curse that often! I would, though, if it gets the point across more clearly.

As for respect, I respect everyone on the wiki; they offer their time and effort to improve it. One can lose that respect, though.

Might as well ban me now, cause we all know this isn't the last time this is going to happen.

How very "honest effort" of you. :| Hopefully people are capable of earning that respect back, as well.

Anyway, you're welcome to not like people. You're welcome to print out their names and throw darts at it. However even if you don't respect them on the inside, I still expect an effort for peaceful interaction.

Kadalyn (talk)22:31, 23 August 2013
 

Noooooo, don't TRY to push yourself into getting banned. You are the one of the few voices of reason around here!

DANTE20XX (talk)23:45, 23 August 2013
 

Don't take sides, Dante. It just encourages them.

Oneris (talk)00:25, 24 August 2013