User talk:Ikkisuki

Alright to start this off, a few days ago you deleted my user page that my friend started to make for me, saying something about how I didn't have a history of contributions, which I did and she checked before hand. Then just today I posted a question about Nexon on the general discussion or whatever that I guess didn't belong there so it's not important that it got closed, but you did comment on it asking me to link my signature to my user page. Are you seeing the problem here? I don't HAVE one because you DELETED it. So if you're going to delete my user page because you think I didn't have a history of contributions, which I DID have, whatever, but don't go scolding me about it later on because it WOULD be linked to my user page had you not trashed it. I made an account on Mabinogi Wiki to help out and provide information, I am a volunteer. Yet you delete my page for no reason and then scold me over not having one?!?! Does this make sense? Someone trying to help out gets in trouble for no reason! Again, I did this to help out but if this is what I get for that then I would rather not help out at all or even try to do so. I'm done. Would you kindly delete my account or tell me how to do so? Thanks.

Just want to point out that he just wants you to change your signature to at least be so we know who you are. The user page does not have to exist for it to be linked to in your signature, it just helps us identify who you are in talk pages. (Notice all the red linked usernames below?)

Although it may seem a bit harsh, there is reason for it. A wiki policy stating that there must be a history of edits (roughly about 10~20 edits) before you can edit your user page was made because there were a lot number of people using the wiki as a personal blog/showoff spot and not contributing to the wiki at all. Sorry if this wasn't explained thoroughly enough.

Also I think he means to use --~ ~ ~ ~ (no space) so that your username comes up that links to your user subpages. Feel free to contact me if you need more explained.

I think Aramet and Khenta have explained it thoroughly enough. If you have anymore questions or concerns, you may continue to post them here.

For example, and some of its variants was incorrectly uploaded a couple of minutes ago, so now it's not showing up on the Portia's Earrings page's pictures. Should redirects be made here, or reuploads+delete request, or a form of cataloging so they can be moved?

Normally, people just use the Delete template with a message saying to move it, and the admins take care of it.

Kev,

I usually don't cry about pages/images, but this one's a little over the top. I also had to edit out a watermark on the Udlah map (See the revision history). I'm questioning the user's contributions and the fact that most edits/contributions have been... well, you'll get the point. Oh, and thanks for the instruction manual on the server update template, figured it out without it today not realizing it existed yet. Cya!

"I think you could have though of something better for the generations... like a row of checkboxes." -- Ikkisuki

I am curious, how would that work? I can imagine what you mean, but not how it'd work in a infobox-type template.

But wouldn't that stretch the box? I tried brainstorming but there is no way I can think of that wouldn't stetch the box or make it look similar the original idea.

Don't be so hard on yourself. That still looks a little stretched to me, but it looks good enough for now. Better than mine, that is. If you would, can you apply those changes? I would like to do a little tweaking to it at a later time.

It couldn't possibly be any wider than it is now. If I didn't set the width to 100%, the generations chart would barely cover half of the width of the original template.

It's okay. So here is what I did with it. What do you think? Do you think I should change anything besides the mainstream error? What about adding anything? All I can think of is possibly saying where your Demigod loyalty would be. I can't figure out how to remove the other races' mainstreams. Normally I would, but I tried adding something for people who don't want it to show up. Now the two other races show up. After it is fixed, if it is good, may I put the coding in Template:CharacterInfobox and redirect Template:CharacterInfobox to it? You can see how it compares to the old template on my page. The only difference in the two templates' coding is the template itself. That being said, it shouldn't mess up the people who used it before the change. (Other than the mainstream thing I can't figure out.)

A) I completely fail to see the need of a percentage, especially without the mention of the number being multiplied, and B) I completely fail to see the need of your jackass attitude. >.>

“	I completely fail to see the need of a percentage, especially without the mention of the number being multiplied	„

...what?

“	I completely fail to see the need of your jackass attitude. >.>	„

Check your work and stop making retarded edits. Also, you must be complete blind and ignorant to not see the necessity of my attitude towards you.

You could still drop the attitude while pointing out his mistakes.

After these many years of him not learning from his mistakes, I think I've been more than nice enough about it prior to taking on this attitude.

Then there are better ways to do it other than being constantly hostile towards him. You're not helping him or anybody else like that.

Same goes for Info, you need to make an improvement as well. I don't know the exact history of whatever it is that you did in the past, but if you're still repeating those mistakes then there's a problem. And if you don't like Ikkisuki's attitude just ignore it, don't point it out and simply move on.

It's stupid just looking at you two sometimes.

“	You're not helping him or anybody else like that.	„

It's not intended to help him or anybody else.

Sakura, may we have tea together in the IRC?

Then don't do it. All you do is bring negativity.

I'm just curious.. what does the acronym stand for, anyway?

I don't even remember.

IIRC, it had something to do with age requirement and magical clothing?

Nevermind, it's right at the top of the category. No Auto Defense Magical Clothing, probably.

Wait. You wrote that. Well. I believe that is what it was for anyway.

This category is added by the StyleEquip Template. I can't make sense of this template since it uses so many other templates that I don't know but, it's on this line:

{{#arraysearch:xml|age_min|0|*Can only be worn by characters between ages {{#arrayindex:xml|{{#expr:{{#arraysearch:xml|age_min}}+1}}}}~{{#arrayindex:xml|{{#expr:{{#arraysearch:xml|age_max}}+1}}}}.{{#ifeq:{{#arrayindex:xml|{{#expr:{{#arraysearch:xml|immune_melee}}+1}}}}{{#arrayindex:xml|{{#expr:{{#arraysearch:xml|immune_magic}}+1}}}}{{#arrayindex:xml|{{#expr:{{#arraysearch:xml|immune_ranged}}+1}}}}|age_minage_minage_min|[[Category:NADMC]]}}|}}

EDIT: Errr, I didn't want it to actually render the template so I wrapped it in pre tags, but now it makes your user page scroll horizontally a ton... Edit this post if it bugs you.

Yeah, I know where it's located; I used it for some debugging a while back and forgot to remove it. Guess I'll go do that now.

Alright, I'll go delete the category and recache the equipment pages then.

Oh god, something weird happened to the image boxes Claus_Muffler_Leather_Mail

Wasn't me~

Do you want me to go ahead and delete every subpage under your name?

Nah, it was just those. Thanks anyway.

“	My head hurts...	„
—Ikkisuki, This file

Ikkisuki add me on Skype it's Denkomogoto I FORGOT HOW MABI WIKI WORKS

Could you tell me how to upload Idle poses? my friends are asking me to upload the Flight attendant pose and I've been trying all night but I just can't figure it out. Is there a special program I need?

Personally, I use gifcam to record gifs, but I don't think its quality would be suitable for wiki (file size should be small though).

The in-game recorder can't be used for .gifs?

.avi ≠ .gif

besides...".gif" is an file extension for images. You could probably convert a part of an avi into a gif though with software, but it wouldn't look as good a quality sometimes due to compression.

He probably did a timelapse, a series of images taken a long period of time, threw it in some animation software like photoshop and created a gif. I think kev is the only one here that can make the gifs to make look as it appears in-game, and with real time animations so it doesn't look weird. I mean, look at Chain Cylinder's gif quailty and compare to any of the outfits with an idle pose that Kev did.

I use Fraps + Photoshop to create the gifs. I simply start recording at a point where I can easily identify when the animation restarts, and record until I see that frame again. Then I import it into Photoshop, crop, and cut off all the unnecessary frames to give it a smooth transition.

I would not recommend using gif-creating programs or the ingame recorder, as they usually crap up the quality quite badly.

Also make sure to resize your gif scaled to a height of 150px, otherwise your gif will not animate on the equipment pages because large gifs don't animate on the wiki if they have to be resized by the wiki software.

So how about saying WHAT IS WRONG rather than vaguely just saying ITS WRONG?

Wait.

“	Yes, let's continue playing the "Make conclusive statements where no evidence is provided or researach is done" game. The same reason no one trusts wiki info anymore.	„

wasn't specific enough?

Not to mention, the specified edit is linked to the text... and there's only one possible thing that the quote could have been regarding in that edit...

I'm not sure what you're confused about.

“	Stack three Transformation Medal Coupons and then right-click and select "Use" to change it into a Shamala Transformation Medal of a random NPC.	„

And

“	The NPC does not include forms obtainable from events or The Saga: Iria.	„

Is wrong?

“	You don't have to have the medal in possession to make a coupon, just right click it. Also, stacking three doesn't automatically turn into a medal. You have to stack three medal coupons (which look like 1x1 broken medals) and right click-use (or ctrl click). It is true that saga and event medals are not included, but I am not sure about limited time like morrighan	„
—Kapra

So you're saying our very own KR Tester is wrong?

i believe you can receive limited NPC medals from the random return of 3 broken medals... unless Juliet isnt a limited medal.. the discription is currently bugged so i cant tell for sure

Juliet is not a limited NPC

Obviously I'm only talking about the 2nd quote.

First it was "everything that comes out of Nexon's mouth must be true". Now it's Pyro's? Who's next?

And just because he's a (our? he's owned by MWW?) KR Tester, everything he states is true? In that case, I've also got access to a KR test account.

I'm not even sure how he's able to state

“	It is true that saga and event medals are not included	„

and follow up with

“	We still have no way to prove this, so we are not allowed to say it without claiming it is not a proven fact.	„

with no provided evidence or research.

You must know, since you believe his words so strongly. Please, tell me, ol' wise one.

I don't see how me being a KR tester has anything to do with it, but for the converting medals into coupons, you can test that out yourself easily. Also, as for the event and saga NPC part, that is true now that I think about it, there is no evidence I or anyone CAN give that proves you cannot get any type of medal from a reward list, you can only prove what you can get from a reward list.

Edit: Ninjaed.

Yes, "our". I see MWW staff working like one big family, so I view that we're all brothers and sisters here.

Wasn't the 2nd quote referring to the debate on Limited NPCs?

I believe he was questioning how I could prove the Saga and other event NPCs aren't on the list, which I just said cannot be proved, so we cannot say it as a fact under current standards.

Very well then, I'm going to concede here.

sence the outfit is an NPC or name sake for a chr in JPop music an the outfit always came in the same way when a chr was made with it should we not upload a gif of the animation in the original color as well? sorry if im nickpicking lol

Yooooooo~

So since you're not on Skype, and I'm not too worried about adding this here. I have found these icons with some new /changes/ I added to my client. We'll just call it that. ahahaaa.

I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to add these, but I had only noticed these so far.

In order: March Song, Vivace, Shock, Cloud (Sleep), and Harvest Song.

http://puu.sh/61JtQ.png

They don't seem to be used in-game from what I can tell, so I'm not sure what to do with them. :C

You could re-enable them through scripts and heavy modding. otherwise, they go unsused. A friend of mine was experimenting with some stuff that got left unused, such as dungeon icons that have an actually starting point to it and such. It doesn't do anything to help. Not to mention visuals. Could be left over from a test? I don't know lol.

Oh, they were coming up because of mods, I just wasn't sure if they should be added or not into the wiki because of that reason. xD

They are official icons though, and show up in my character window as well as under my name, soooooo.

/inb4devcatusesthem.

Considering that they exist, might as well mention them as trivia?

I'm pretty positive it was left over from testing...we have plenty of visuals as is, though considering the buffs can get bugged and visuals remain, I suppose that what it could be used for.

Or invisible thanks to Mini Effects.

I don't think mini effects have anything to do with it since I don't mess with that setting. They started appearing when I added in new mods. owo /cough

No, we're talking about the icons supposedly serving in place of visual representation auras and whatnot. Mini Effects is one of those things that affects visual.

Ahh, okay. I'm gunna add them to the Status page anyway, they're pretty neat. Couldn't hurt any.

Somewhat related(?) [But also pretty old], who/where is this NPC from/at? Name is apparently "Shay". I don't see any info on JWiki.

Shay or Shy is the replacement NPC for Lorna in JP/KR. You can see the name appear during the Generation renewal quest.

Shy also appears in the Transformation Diary. <Event> This bob-haired beauty sells special items. Use Shamala's Transformation Medal to collect. (Limited NPC)

Replacement for what, exactly? I thought JP/KR didn't have the Saga Coupon system?

Something about no appealing and unfamiliar face...I read it somewhere.

• Shy
  • Handles if you want to go form old G1-3 to new G1-3.
  • Internet Cafe-only shop (she sells MP potions, among other things).
• Lorna
  • Handles if you want to go form old G1-3 to new G1-3.
  • Exchanges saga coupons for rewards.

Keep in mind KR doesn't have saga rewards we do, and NA doesn't have Internet Cafe specials in Nexon games.

Ah, I forgot about Genesis.

Would it be okay to make a page for Shy? I mean, we still have Nekojima even though we're still not on the verge of getting it.

. . . *Points at front page* What does it say?

I don't think we should be making unnecessary pages unless we actually get it. Granted, Shadow Bunshin and Nekojima is here on this wiki, but ehh...I think they should be put elsewhere or even thrown out. May never get it, but if we do then well...dam. We did eventually get Shadow Bunshin, albeit the updated version for all servers, but can't help but hope I guess...then suddenly we get to find another exploit and explore the dam place.

Personally I don't think we should remove any skipped content or exclusive content, that doesn't necessarily mean we should make pages for them, though I think there should never be a policy restricting anyone form making one.

that being said, I think it would be good to mention it towards the bottom of Lorna's page.

Well, since it is possible to obtain her transformation via medals probably, once people get it they wouldn't know who she is. Also that makes the redirection of Shy to Lorna inaccurate in a sense.

There's a few equipment with missing categories.

• Claus' Wooden Gauntlet - Wooden and Gauntlet
• Long Leather Glove - Gauntlet
• Wood Plate Cannon - Wooden

Hi. Could you please look for the names of Belisha's two her-specific skills? Thank you.

Also on a side note, could you also look for the names of:

• Blade Wyvern's biting attack.
• Trickster's skills (if it has any)
• Sephiroth's (Coill Abyss boss) skills
• Vampire/Duke's (Peaca Abyss boss) skills

I'd like to know if desert dragon and prairie dragon really have stomp like infodude says.

They might not have it in data but have it in server, or they might have it in data but not in server. Or, they might have it in data and/or server but their AI not allow them to use it. (Like Cyclops Windmilling, I believe?)

You can always go get a and yourself, Infodude. The fact that you constantly ask for things without trying yourself is making me not want to help you.

And where am I supposed to get a ?

I always thought Wiki was collaborative effort. I guess I was wrong to think that...

You've never used a mabiunpack of mabipackagetool before? I recall you saying you threw out your before. The wiki is a collective source of users who provide information, not just ask for information or for others to do work without even trying yourself. Please do not use sarcasm.

Even if I did get a new one, where am I supposed to look?

Not everyone has the knowledge or capability of doing or reading coding. What if I got it wrong? What if you told me to "do it myself" and edit something complex like Template:StyleWeapon and I messed something up?

Coding is understandable, I did not know coding before wikis and my coding is still limited to what I do on the wiki, and I would not touch StyleWeapon without like testing it on my urserpage or something. But this is not the kind of thing that requires coding knowledge. . . There's a specific file for skills in the db folder, does that help? There are plenty of guides and resources at places where you can get a and you know what the pickaxe is called so why not? I learn from trial & error and observing, you should be able to at least do the same.

Can you let me know why you reverted my special colors change awhile ago? Sounds like there was something wrong with it, but I can't tell from the changelog.

Not sure which revision you're talking about. Mind linking me?

You made a lot of changes, so there's no single one. Compare the current version to http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&oldid=441432 with respect to the special user colors, you'll see what I mean.

I'm guessing the edit was made prior to user color names having been fixed, so that's probably why. Other than that, it's too long ago to remember.

Don't follow. Was something broken with my code? If not, I'm gonna put it back since that whole page needs cleanup.

Well, name color wasn't working for quite a while and no one did anything about it. Put it back if you want. Not like I can do anything about it.

Hmm, I was under the impression that it worked more than it should have (like it would convert certain diff links to golden). I'll put it back later and fix it if it's broken...I did test it before I left it alone, though. Not sure why it broke.

I recall having mentioned this issue to you on IRC before having made the changes a long time after said mention.

I'll check my logs tomorrow then, thanks.

New code should be fixed now. Let me know if you see errors. I think one of the errors was because the old cookie data was stored in a different way so the syntax error wasn't actually the code but trying to parse the cookie (ugh cookies). There was another bug that broke when the wiki moved and I changed the URLs to not all be index.php blah blah.

Can you move some pages? They're effecting the edit links.

Template:DataEnchantDeadman‎ -> Template:DataEnchantDead Man‎

Template:DataEnchantStone -> Template:DataEnchantStone7

Template:DataEnchantRock -> Template:DataEnchantStoneC

Thanks.

Uh, sure. I can move them (as can you), but I can't delete the old redirects. o.o

Thanks, I thought you were able to delete too.

And exactly what is wrong with "this shit"?

I have to agree with Infodude, nothing wrong with quoting the ingame menu.

...ehh I think it's the fact that it's trivial and not really necessary. That's usually what you wanted to point out right kev ;x? Unless I overshot that obvious point completely, then I have no idea.

PS: I'm not taking sides.

You should open a mind-reading shop.

And suddenly I go out of business within hours after opening...

Jokes aside, I don't see a problem with it, while at the same time, the summery under it already explains what is going on...kinda redundant...