Talk:Skill Immune Monsters

Apparently, Frozen Blast can't target Berserk. By any chance would Berserk prevent being targeted from the other skills on the list?

Ice Spear and Ice Mine, however, are out of the question, as they still freeze the player.

Berserk prevented shadow cloak, shadow bind, puppet's snare, ice dragon's ice storm and ice spear freezing. It also prevents petrification and poison of course. It didn't affect restful wind or sleepy dust.

Huh, it negates Ice Spear? Last I checked it didn't...

It doesn't stop Ice Mine though...

I tried pvp and elf giant pvp and they both didn't freeze me with ice spear. Well, you can also be petrified while in berserk if you time it right.

Meru said "Skill Immunities List" while Blargel suggested "List of skill immune monsters", but I have no idea which to go with.

What page name should we settle on?

I guess list of skill immune monsters would be best.

Do they by any chance use the same immunity list as this? I've seen SC/SB not work on golems and Macha, but I haven't looked into this thoroughly.

Seems to be same as the unpoisonable / unpetrifyable / dragon breath untargetable enemies, too. I can confirm Sasquatch, scathach wolves, arch lich.

I think they all have differences though. Cloud sleep does work on Golems and (oddly enough) Red Dragon.

Should we put all the mob immunity lists into one page, then point out differences if any?

I wasn't really saying anything about cloud sleep, but these ones that you can't target all seem to be the same as the ones you can't target with other things like lightning/ice/bone dragon breaths (holy rush from pegasus and perseus still work on them though even when lightning breath can't target them, it seems pretty weird to me). They can still be hit if there's a monster that can be behind them, but petrifying breath still wont petrify them. I guess we could point out differences. I'd like a page that correctly reflected the true nature of unsnarable monsters. I don't know what we would call the page, though.

Ran into this today. Ancient frail green kiwi was untargetable by shadow bind and shadow cloak tornado. Non ancient ones were fine. Not sure where a line is put for that since they both take 1 damage from attacks besides hydra and etc. Frail green kiwi entry says it isn't targetable by puppet's snare which isn't true anymore apparently, but it also does not say invalid target when targeting the ancient frail green kiwi which is not targetable. Both are immune to defense protection reduction by bone dragon though. Ancient one was targetable by petrifying breath and the skill executed but the attack just went right thru the kiwi no damage or petrification which isn't what happens normally. I guess it kind of makes sense though.

I heard Yui Strike won't hit golems or cessair, so I have a hunch that it uses this list as well.

I still can't come up of a name for generalizing all this though.

Some peaca abyss monsters can be affected by restful wind, and some lord monsters, too, along with frozen blast.

Restful Wind is an odd one for sure; I've only noticed it not work on Cessair and Heart. I wouldn't know about Frozen Blast since I'm not an alchemist.

All lord mission and peaca abyss monsters need to be tested individually. Seems like half of them aren't affected and half are. I'll work on that when I can.

Because Frozen Blast, Shadow Cloak, Shadow Bind, Poison(?), Dragon Breath, Nimbus Wind, and Yui Strike all use this list albeit with some differences, should we rename this to something more of a general term for all of the aforementioned skills/effects? I can't think of a name.

Bump?

Maybe just skill immunities would work?

Probably...?

User:Infodude575/Sandbox/Skill Immunities List Does this look any good to serve as a replacement?

Looks fine to me, but adding "list" makes it seem like a list of skill immunities instead of a list of monsters immune to certain skills, which the page is more centered around. Maybe we could change the page to focus on the skills, and then we can list the monsters affected, which it sort of is already, I guess. I think the breath attacks might need some more testing, but I don't have a fire dragon myself in the case it might be different.