What made the reference link unnecessary?

This information appeared to come from the main Nexon site, so why are the mods insistent on removing the reference link? This website is on the Creative Commons lisense, which I'm pretty sure means you have to follow Attribution rules and give credit where credit is due.

Referral Here for the first part of my argument.

The only information that apparently came from the Nexon Website is the RPS coins, which is currently being player-tested for accuracy (accurate so far up to 20), and should not be kept from the knowledge of the whole player base even when they're unconfirmed.

Also, we use reference tags to delineate between what info is given from the Nexon website (and possibly mistransalated or flawed), and what information is in-game-tested and player confirmed (and generally error-free).

Take the Eweca Orb page as an example. Do we have to cite the fact that information came from the official announcement?

No, because the official announcement is wrong. The Cute Raccoon outfit pieces are actually mistranslated names for Adorable Raccoon Set and none of the Bunny Ribbon (M/F) items exist, because they're actually just the Bunny Set we already have and the new Bear Set.

If we put citation tags on the Eweca Orb page to tell people information came form the announcement, that validates the announcement as being completely correct and could send someone on a snipe hunt looking for items that don't exist.

Mabinogi World Wiki runs off in-game data, not Nexon Announcements. By adding the information on RPS coins to the Mabi Coin page before it's confirmed, we're giving the Nexon announcement benefit of the doubt by assuming it's correct for the sake of not keeping information from the player base. We are assuming that it is unnecessary to tag it as direct quotations because soon enough it will only be coincidental that the same information was obtained from the website and in-game.

I think reference link should still be added. Taking the Adventurer Seal page for example. On that page we can see that we linked it back to the Mabinogi site because it states specifically how to get the coins. On the event page, there are many things that state specifically how to get some of the Mabi Coin, so even if not all of them are listed, they did tell us that we get coins from rock paper scissors and fattening event.

I see what you're getting at.

Precedence is always good. The justification for that edit was "Referenced Nexon's official announcement. TIL people didn't run around to compile this list"

To be honest, it is impossible for any player to actually achieve and confirm 300RPC = 15 gold coins at this point in the event.

And honestly now, I'm not sure.

My remaining argument now is still: Where would you draw the line? What page on the wiki outside of personal projects would not be absolutely covered with references? What do we do about references that are only partially correct?

That's not arguing against reference tags. That's arguing for a standard procedure for reference tagging.

So basically, you are claiming that tiny bit of information as 100% from the playerbase because you've confirmed a PART of it? I'm sorry, but until ALL of the borrowed information is confirmed by the playerbase, this is plagiarism. I don't know how the mod staff treat such claims, but it is plagiarism plain and simple.

This is not common knowledge (published on more than five different resources at time of original writing). It is not 100% based off an individual's observations in the game. And it does not have a ref link to where the information originally came from (even though it was paraphrased).

Just thought I'd point that out. I'm going to undo another mod's removal, but please consider that before brushing this entire thing off.

Don't undo mod's removals. (Was that a typo? Did you mean not??)

Plagiarism isn't a concern in this context. Once tanino posts his new post about this discussion, though, we can discuss this further there. (I don't know if it will be in this thread or a new one, but I will allow him the main thread for it if he so chooses.)

Yeah that was a typo haha. I'm not going to undo that again, seeing as we're all on different standings on this and it'll just turn into an edit war if I tried to anyway.

Guess I'll wait on that thread to come along to give my ideas and views on this.

As someone who supports the reference link I went to talk and generally there aren't that many mods that actually oppose the reference link. Rather, just that protocol needs to be followed. And tanino should stop being a tremendous faggot.

If you ask me, it's only necessary if it's word for word, or used as a source to confirm something. I don't ever recall the wiki citing rewards at all, let alone how to get certain things, like the recent Mabi Coin page. It's one of those "We've never done this, why should we start now" sort of deals. If it is on the page, we only need one citation, not multiples. Plus it's typically player confirmed, so the citation for that is pointless imo. Feel free to argue, but I'm just going with how the wiki always does things :s...

It originally only had one citation when it was first made, but that was removed.