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Revisiting some old ideas

Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Wiki Home

What I'm not fond of Lexis' variation is how skills are grouped.

  • In the Magic table for example, we have one box for Masteries. I'd rather each elemental mastery go into the Elemental Groups (if we are going to have Elemental Groups) and merge Miscellaneous with Magic Mastery and Magic Weapon Mastery.
  • For Life Skills, Carpentry is both Gathering and Crafting, shouldn't it be listed in both? Some could argue that Commerce Mastery is also a Gathering skill.
  • For Combat, separating into a list of Masteries would get confusing. Mainly because things like Shield and Armor Masteries are not in the Defensive section, and there is a debatable Mastery status to Critical Hit.
  • For Alchemy, Hydra Transmutation should be Construct. After all, it gets 2x training from Transmutation Alchemy and not Combat Alchemy if I remember correctly. I mean, Summon Golem can also do damage, so why is it not in the same place as Hydra? I think Chain Cylinder, Elemental Wave, Golden Time, and Rain Casting should be moved to a Buff category whereas Sand Burst and Frozen Blast should be moved to a Debuff.
  • For Fighter, if we're going to divide up the other skill tabs up like they are now, why isn't Fighter divided up by Chain type?
  • For Music, why isn't Musical Knowledge in Music Playing? It's probably the most relevant to actual playing, rather than Instrument or Song. Also, Encore is a self-buffing skill and Dischord is a debuffing skil, why aren't they with the buffs/debuffs?
  • Puppetry is fine as far as I can tell.
  • If the other tabs are going to be divided, why isn't Dual Gun divided into Mastery, Buff (Reload and Way of the Gun), and Combat?
  • Hidden skills are random by design, not your fault. That section looks fine given the circumstances.
Kapra - (Talk)11:16, 13 June 2014
  1. I feel either way works. Elemental Grouping is fine, but the less vertical is better. Reorganization pending.
  2. Carpentry is more geared towards crafting since you end up taking the wood to craft better wood and weapons. I stand by where Carpentry is placed.
  3. I tried separating into 3 categories: offensive, defensive, and mastery. Offensive suddenly became too large, so I separated it into Melee and Ranged. I didn't want to overlap masteries with other skill, which makes it messier than it is now. Critical Hit is debatable.
  4. I suppose. Hydra is an offensive construct, so I might move it later. Chain Cylinder is with Offensive since it only works with the skills in that category. I was tempted to move it to Miscellaneous at some point. Elemental Wave may be moved to Misc. as well. Sand still does damage and is considered offensive. Same with Frozen Blast.
  5. The less vertical the better.
  6. Debatable. Dischord is a melee skill. While yes is debuffs, it doesn't do much and not to mention it's kind of an oddball. Encore on the other hand only drops cooldown, not really a buff since cooldowns are zeroed out and doesn't affect anyone but the user.
  7. Course it's fine.
  8. Doesn't mesh with intended categories and like fighter, the less vertical the better. And why would 1 skill needs it's own obnoxious category. Reload, suddenly, becomes debatable whether it acts like a mastery then arguments pop up everywhere.
  9. Again, same reason as Dual Guns.

As I stated before, none of it is final. Still thinking of ways to make it better. and the colors,if you're wondering about it, is to make the wiki a bit more colorful, and helps with categorization on what skill came from where.

 

1. Exactly, it would make it less vertical.
2. Why can't carpentry be listed under both Gathering and Production?
6. A self-only buff (like Final Hit, Invigorating Encore, etc) is still a buff.
5 and 8. If the verticle-ness of other sections are accepted, vertical-ness of those two sections shouldn't be considered too much. If anything would help people.

Kapra - (Talk)22:15, 14 June 2014