Revisiting Old Discussion Threads

This isn't about differing definitions...

>both threads were made 6+ months ago

>said threads were wrapped up on the same day they were created

Then you repeat things months later that were already mentioned.

"Verification/clarfication requested" is not wrapped up. People sometimes stop replying for any number of reasons for absurd amounts of time; this does not make the issue wrapped up.

And my reply in the other thread clearly disagrees with your previous assertion. Unlike Superveemon, I don't agree that stackable items can be fed to spirit weapons simply because there's an item specifically designed to be fed to a spirit weapon that can be stacked.

The issue we have is that you were just restating information that was already in the thread. A good example of what this feels is if we left this very thread alone for six months, and a random guy came in and said "Doomsday31415, you shouldn't necropost." It would be illogical to do that because it was already mentioned by the rest of the participants of the thread and the discussion would no longer be relevant to current events.

And before you tell me that the example is stupid, yes, I know it's stupid. I oversimplified and exaggerated to make a point. You still did something similar.

I disagree with your comparison. It's completely a strawman. In both cases, I brought something to the table that wasn't there before.

Please look at what was said in the threads again and reassess your opinion.

I did. Multiple times. I don't know what else to tell you.

I don't usually like to do this, but I would like to point out that I am the moderator that patrols the discussion pages. That's actually the only reason why I even brought this up in the first place.

If you really believe you bought something extra to the discussion, I'm just going to have to say that you need to do better. It wasn't enough to warrant a necropost.

The only reason I paid you heed was BECAUSE you're a moderator. It was about the first thing I checked!

It's clear we're not going to agree on this, though, so let's leave it at that.

Unfortunately, I cannot leave this alone unless it's clear that you know what you did wrong. Therefore, I'm going to try to continue to explain. In the context of the original discussion, all parties involved already knew the general rule. In fact, Superveemon mentions it in the original post and Yinato only replied to point out that there was an exception. As such, when you pointed out the general rule again a few months later, it seemed entirely unnecessary. Does that make sense?

EDIT: Also, at this point, I suppose this isn't really a problem about bad necroposting, but rather a problem on reading the intentions of a discussion. After this discussion, you seem reasonable enough to already know that making inane posts on old threads is a bad idea. After all, our point of contention is whether or not the post in question has any substance or not.

To add on to what Blargel said, you're not only missing the point, but also misinterpreting the old discussions.

I wasn't saying that "stackable items can be fed to spirit weapons simply because there's an item specifically designed to be fed to a spirit weapon that can be stacked."

What I did say, was

“	The way you said it initially made it sound like you couldn't feed it only because it was a stacked item; which is exactly what gem powder is (regardless of whether or not gem powder is the only kind of stacked item that can currently be fed).	„
—me

And I'm saying "Yes, you can't feed it because it's a stacked item." Regardless of 1% of the items being exceptions, stackable items in general cannot fed to spirit weapons.

I'm arguing against exactly what you said.

At this point, I think this argument should be stopped and two things should be pointed out.

1. Yinato already knows the information that Doomsday31415 is pointing out.
2. What both of you are saying are not contradictory. Yinato is speaking in exact terms. Doomsday31415 is speaking in general terms.

There is no real argument here. Just semantics.

The entire discussion between Yinato and Superveemon stemmed from semantics. Superveemon initially mentioned that small gems couldn't be used because they're stackable, and Yinato gave the example of a stackable item that could be used.

Now that I've looked a little closer at the page history, I'm going to also motion to have the removed text re-added: "As a general rule, stackable items are never suitable as ego food."

Is there any reason to continue discussion here as opposed to on the talk page?

You can re-add that yourself if you want and if anyone objects, they can bring it up with you separately. However, the discussion here is about pointless necroposting. It feels like you're deliberately trying to jump subjects to avoid trouble, and if you are, you should stop. I've pointed out to you why your post did not warrant reviving a dead thread. In the future, please make sure that you have something meaningful to contribute before you reply to old discussion threads. Merely agreeing or disagreeing with someone is not enough. Something like results of an experiment that shed new light on a subject is. When in doubt, make a new thread. If your post does not have enough substance to warrant a new thread, it probably doesn't warrant a necropost either.

What exactly is the problem with necroposting, especially on a wiki? How has his post impeded you or anyone else at all? He tried to contribute what he thought was useful information. Of course, useful is a subjective term, as you can tell by the disagreement in this thread; can you blame him for that?

Take a moment and think about it to yourself: Why do people hate necro posting? If you can give me one decent answer that makes sense, I'll give you a cookie and let you win this thread (not that there's anything to win. But clearly, you guys really want to win.).

“	It feels like you're deliberately trying to jump subjects to avoid trouble	„

It's you and Yinato who are constantly bringing up the issues other than "necroposting", he's simply giving you a response. Of course, by your logic, it's somehow his wrongdoing.You guys are quite desperate to win these lame arguments, aren't you?

This is the why people no longer enjoy contributing to the wiki and has accrued the bad reputation it has; stupid shit like this happens to the people who try to help.

Let me quote the "almighty" Blargel and say:

“	it's turning into a pretty stupid argument on semantics. Unless you guys actually have something to contribute anymore, please move on.	„
—Blargel

inb4 I get in trouble for this post and you idiots call me a "retard". Lol..

Again with the sarcasm, huh? I've been reprimanding you repeatedly because you have this sort of attitude, not because you have opinions that don't match with mine. You could easily make the same points you just did without sounding like an ass. You do bring up some valid points though so I will attempt to address them one by one. I hope this makes it more clear what I am trying to achieve.

Although others hate it, I have nothing against the act of necroposting itself. The problem I have is with necroposting that doesn't have anything meaningful. You'll notice that I did not say anything about this or this since something new was actually brought up in both posts. That sort of information and questioning is fresh while still being relevant to the threads so people who are notified about it might actually be interested. Reiterating old information, however, would only serve to confuse and annoy the people who are notified.

Unfortunately, from my experience, the majority of necroposting that occurs is the sort that is meaningless. After talking it out with him - respectfully, I might add - I understand now that he was trying to add information. Unfortunately, from my point of view, he failed to do so. My last post which you just replied to was an attempt to give some guidelines on how to avoid the problem int he future.

About the "jumping topics" remark I made, he appeared to change the subject to re-adding that one line to the article and then immediately ask if the discussion really needs to continue here. I may have misinterpreted it, but it sounded like he was trying to pass this thread off as a discussion of the article and not of the original topic. If that's not the case, then I apologize.

I don't believe I have anything else I need to reply to since you look like you are just trying to slander the wiki and myself by twisting my words.

I'd also like to apologize for how big this blew up into and for crapping up the recent changes. I had intended for this to be a quick 1 on 1 to help Doomsday31415 avoid future trouble, but I failed to keep it brief.

Creating new threads on a wiki is just as bad (if not worse) as necroposting. At least you have some context with a necropost! If this were a forum where threads that are old fall out of view, it'd be a different story.

You thought I jumped topics simply because several of the replies I was referencing would be better suited for the talk page. Deciding whether or not the necroposts were meaningful should have ended hours ago when they sparked new discussion on the topics.

But it didn't spark new discussions on those pages (referring to the spirit weapon and rest discussions). The discussion on your user page is about necroposting, to which you did jump topics...numerous times.

Also, the entire first part of your reply is completely opinionated. Hell, if it was fact and not opinion, then you wouldn't have people telling you not to necropost to begin with. If you can't take the context of a thread you make from its title, then that's your own fault.