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Chapter 5

Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Patches

I have read your post, I see no evidence. If you really feel the need to reiterate it, paraphrase it and reply to this, then.

Pyro - (Talk)21:52, 26 July 2013

Large sections of mainstream story are broken up into Generations, which are numbered, usually based on the order they come out. This is a large section of the mainstream story. The last piece was 17, which implies that this one is 1 + 17. Since nothing was explicated, we have to go with what's implied.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)22:57, 26 July 2013
 

equally good reason to call it g17s5(e1-10)

Legiathan (talk)06:36, 27 July 2013

Not really. The the amount of questing in all 10 episodes implies generation, not season.

You could say it's almost as good a reason to call it G17s5-s15; but they start at 1, implying it's the equivalent of season 1; 15 is a lot more seasons than you'd expect; and so far, generation quests have been released during their respective generations(the g2 story wasn't released in g3).

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)11:19, 27 July 2013
 

VERY good point Legiathan.

I still so no evidence Sozen. . . You're just making assumptions based on previous patches.

Pyro - (Talk)11:32, 27 July 2013
 

I'm using previous patches to point out a pattern that should be obvious. My only assumption is that nothing has changed, because I have yet to see evidence that that it did.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)11:46, 27 July 2013

As I said, evidence it is G18 before evidence it isn't is necessary. Your entire argument is based on wishful continuity.

Pyro - (Talk)18:54, 27 July 2013
 

... continuity is the default case. How about you give me some evidence that something has changed before you ask for evidence that nothing happened?

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)19:12, 27 July 2013
 

That's just not how it works, just because you can't prove something doesn't give you leeway to turn the table upside down. Innocent until proven guilty, evidence before faulty evidence. You need to prove it is G18 first, and I really do hope you can because I don't like holes like this but as far as I am concerned that's just it, Just The Saga: Iria, no Generation 18 tacked on.

Pyro - (Talk)19:16, 27 July 2013
 

You're the one arguing guilty in that metaphor. Burden of proof is on you.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)19:23, 27 July 2013
 

As I said, the burden of proof isn't on me because you have not proved this is Generation 18 and there is nothing suggesting so besides speculation based on past updates.

Pyro - (Talk)19:51, 27 July 2013
 

Like i said, I'm not the one with something to prove because I'm not the one arguing that something happened/changed. Chunks of divided into Generations, That's how this system works by default. Until they say they've changed that system, we don't need proof that they didn't.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)20:17, 27 July 2013
 

And as I said, nothing "changed". It's not of the same thing, and you need evidence that it is. Otherwise I think it is reliable to call the Puppeteer sidequest Generation 17.

Pyro - (Talk)20:33, 27 July 2013
 

The puppeteer thing was kinda short, had very few cutscenes/RPs, and I didn't notice any references to other stories, so i never bothered to argue for this, but it is a quest chain(several that can't be done out of order because finishing 1 is how you get the next) with a significant amount of story, so it would fit better with mainstream stuff as g17s2 than with solitary quests like Duncan's Call.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)22:07, 27 July 2013
 

why does your pride rest in proving its g18, not just saga:iria?

Legiathan (talk)22:38, 27 July 2013
 

by that logic, the mabinogi classic update should have been a new generation too... or 3 new generations, in which case, we would have had it go from g16 to g17, g18, and g19 being the new g1,2, and 3.. and lets not talk about the alchemist questline revamps

Legiathan (talk)11:58, 27 July 2013
 

The revamps were revamps, no new story added.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)12:15, 27 July 2013
 

the story WAS changed though, or at least, some parts were removed

Legiathan (talk)14:29, 27 July 2013
 

It's still the same part of the same story, in the same slot on the timeline.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)14:35, 27 July 2013