Meteor strike training "abuse"?

I don't even think G8 Finale spam is considered abuse considering the little amount of access people have with that. Not to mention the sheer difficulty of going alone (I mean, I can solo it, but that's me 8D).

Well, a countermeasure was put for Jenna's 100% repair which "little amount of access people have with"...

Well played....well played.

If they have time to patch Jenna in case of a 100% repair event that rarely ever happens, but they don't have the time to patch Crumena to not count for Meteor Strike training. Then something is wrong with their priorities. Or Crumena counting as training isn't abuse.

I fail to see how it could be considered abuse. I've yet to see anyone with a party up looking for g8 final just for training purposes, and even I were to suddenly see a cluster of party ads for that, the cooldown on meteor would still make it a time-consuming process.

Field dragons don't spawn every 30 minutes. Crumena, you can just enter once the cooldown goes away.

“	-blah blah- 30 minutes. -blah blah- once the cooldown goes away	„

Just going to throw a few numbers out.

Assumptions

• you're using magic/druid talent
• you've completed all other training requirements (which would also take a few hours)
• Crumena doesn't troll your ass by flying up during that 5 second period before impact
• you are on g8 final

Just for the smack a dragon training requirement, getting to the next rank/getting the master title would take a minimum of:

• 4 hours at r3
• 5 hours at r2
• 75 hours for master title

Sooo, with all that in mind...do you still think it can possibly be seen as "abusable"?

He's already conceded when he re-added Crumena to the training tips section. We don't really need to continue discussions about this.

Oh, skipped that entire part when I saw the whole info-kevin thing starting up (as usual) lol.

Not to mention the fact that it's 5 against 1. All I can say is that I'm practically outnumbered and overruled.

I've been gone the past few days, and yes the immediate issue has been resolved as Blargel has pointed out. I do agree with the outcome, but I do not think this discussion is over in the sake of future potential abuses, would like to provide a dissent. What I am talking about is the method by which a few of you have used to determine if something is or is not an abuse. Just because a method isn't used, or isn't as useful as another abuse method or a nonabusive method should not change or determine whether or not something is or is not an abuse, in my opinion at least. It should not be based on if its practical or not to perform the "abuse", rather, it should be based on:

• A: Whether it was stated if it was or was not intended (such as the shyllien and hillwen wallers, in which Mabinogi JP [although never DevCAT, NA, or KR] explicitly said this was not allowed and they would begin banning those caught, though to my knowledge this ban spree was never enforced in NA). In such cases, sources would be preferred.
• B: If there was no official comment on it, there really is no way to figure out whether it was intended or not intended. That being said, this may seem problematic, but we should vote whether or not we as players in our own personal opinion, which is not relevant to what the developer believes, thinks it is an abuse or not, only after long discussion.

With the ability to revisit decisions made by either method. After re-reading my point B, I do feel wary of it, but I am solid on A. Even if A and B are crap, the method used earlier in this thread still really needs to be redone.

Anyone agree or disagree?

I mostly agree, and yes we probably should have some sort of system in place to determine whether something is considered abuse or not. Let me bring this up with the rest of the staff to see how we should deal with this in the future.