meters vs centimeters

Yeah, that's something I was also wondering about...

If you take, for example, reforges, there are only 4 reforges that affect a skills "cm" range. Every other range boost reforge is labeled as "m". But, by the looks of it, all range reforges are about the same reasonable size.

Say, Effective Range reforge. It has a reforge "distance" of 70. But, we all know that the reforge affects the bow like normal. A 70 distance increase is 2070 distance total (if the bow is base 2000). But the units Effective Range is measured in is "m", not "cm".

Another example, Charge.

It has a maximum distance of 2000 at rank 1.

The reforge boosts its distance by 50 "distance" per level.

The reforge unit is labeled as meters, totaling to 2050m at a reforge of level 1.

In fact, I'm quite definite now that all skill ranges/etc are measured in meters. Out of the 4 cm values, 2 of them are seemingly unused, and the other 2 have to do with Fishing's catch size. Nothing else is measured in cm.

Well, since Puppeteer skill descriptions mark distance in units of m that are exactly equal to 100 of the base unit we've just been calling "Distance".

Could you list your 4 the examples of CM being used? I know there were several, but i only remember what one of the fishing ones was, and I don't recall weather partner height explicated cm.

“	Out of the 4 cm values, 2 of them are seemingly unused, and the other 2 have to do with Fishing's catch size. Nothing else is measured in cm.	„

o3o. They were all reforge examples (of the 4 cm examples being used).

As for the skill descriptions.... hm.

Hm, does the fish size actually have any effect as to how it appears when dropped?

Also, if I remember correctly, the hints for some of the Puppetry skills actually say meters? I can't check because I mastered all 11 of them months back.

Well, the fish's size stat does effect how big it shows up on the ground, but it's not a reliable reference for distance since it's not always a straightforward head to tail measurement. Within the same species, math works(101cm>100cm), but a 150cm of one species can be less than a 140cm of another.

Yes, the size is affected, but the sizes is scaled by a multiplier. How the multiplier is determined is unknown at the moment, though that can probably be easily figured out.

None of the puppetry skills (that I have, Ctrl, Marionettes, Act 1-6) mention anything about distance. All mentions are in the rank effect, which you should still see.

Ah, I thought it was in the hint. I think some skills have meters in hints too, but I don't remember.

I just checked, and partner creation does explicitly say cm for height, and unlike fish size, this one seems to match the "distance" unit we've been using.

Yes, but like how fish size affects the dropped fish, height is scaled by a multiplier, also, if that has any effect.

yea, but this multiplier seems to be pretty close to 1, possibly even 1.

I had my commerce partner(height fixed at 130) load thunder so she'd stand still, then loaded grapple shot and found the inner and outer edges of it's range(by checking when the cursor changes). The min distance was about 3x her height, and the max distance was a between 7x and 8x her height.

Seems legit to me.

Some more things that might be relevant:

• Paper Airplane says ##.##m at the end. IDK if it's the same "m" as puppeteer skills, but it's definitely not the 1m = 1 "distance" one.
• An older example, Fireworks Kit, has a distance label at the end of the animation. I'm having trouble confirming, but IIRC it uses "m" about the same way as Paper Airplane.
• As far as i know, the first reliable(not not 5th dimensions of fish) example of distance numbers being displayed ingame was the splash range upgrade for Two-handed Sword. It's 70 "distance", and the text says 70 but doesn't specify m or cm.

Oh right, that's where I've seen the distance actually shown before. Paper Airplane. zzz.

And, yes, fireworks did use meters, also.

As for two handed splash upgrade... 70 distance (which I would assume would be the same distance as lv 1 effective range reforge) would seem like a lot of splash area. I've never personally upgraded a 2h with that upgrade, so I have no idea what it's like.

Yes, it is quite a lot. There are some youtube links demonstrating it here.

Holy fuck. I need to get me one of those.

Same. Been planning to get one ever since that was posted but never got around to it. The basic 2h is best for range since it has range available for 3 upgrades(last 2 + gem), but one of the Japanese 2h swords can get more dmg on splash than the main target if you forgo the range upgrades.

So, outside of reforges, is there any example of 1m meaning 1distance?

Hahaha, how nice of you to bring this back up.

So it turns out, although reforges use meters... I forgot they're divided by 100 (I had no range reforges at the time). So 1000 meters is actually 10.00 meters. :)

Guess we're using cm as base. Going to have to changeeeee it allllll. Unless.. you guys actually want to keep it in cm (2000cm vs 20m).

Most people are more familiar with cm as range, though.

It's clear they're going for a clone of the metric system, so I say we just decide case-by-case based on significant digits.

What file are you getting reforge info from anyway?