Talk:Shields List

Shield Natural Def

Calling it natural def for now as people tend to get confused if one says "passive def". At any rate, what's written here is somewhat incorrect. I know for a fact that Round Shields give +5 def and Kite Shields give +15 def. However, rather than just editing what's written, how about we include the Natural Def bonus granted by shields as a column in this table and subsequently in all the individual shield pages? I was going to go ahead and do it myself but I'd like to see what other people think first.--Mystickskye 02:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

So shields have hidden defense stats, but they're not displayed on this page for comparison.

Could the template be updated to display that info?

It can, as long as the respective shield data templates are properly filled, but you'd potentially be adding 4 columns, and the page should probably be divided to include a section for ineffective (small) shields. There is also the question of how the passive bonuses work.

• Do the "not using defense" stats stack with "using defense" stats when using defense?
• Is what's labeled as ranged attack defense only for ranged attack and not "defence_bonus_default" as it is in the templates?
• Does "defence_bonus_default" stack with "defense_bonus_melee_bonus"?
• Do we merge these stats into the defense column on the table, do we add all 4 columns or do we squeeze all the passive bonus stats into one column?

• The bonus from having a shield is added to defense during defense calculation, same as using the skill, and defense is a flat subtraction so I believe they stack during that step.

The other things... I don't actually know, like the second thing actually just called "default" by the game.

The guard cylinder counts as a small shield for the purposes of the shield mastery skill. Would it make sense to add it here?

yes

Does Defense with a Shield increase magical defense? Auto-Defense =/= Mana Deflector.