[[:Category:User Guides]]...good idea or bad?

Topic. Discuss.

Do you mean like a category for things like the wiki guide for dummies?

Sorta. see here or look down a bit.

Do we have any categories for user pages?

Not that I noticed nor recall.

The premise is that there should be a place with a complied list of guides made by users, whether it be introductory guides to something such as a few on my user page, or things like how to do a specific thing like finales, such as the one on Swissed's page. I probably should have elaborated a bit but ehh...laptop was dying =-=;

While the category itself may be helpful, are there enough pre-existing pages to warrant it though? Then there's the issue of consistency and quality of the user guides (as a whole) that are part of that category; you don't want to include a craptastic guide with one that's actually well-written.

That is true. I'm sure some ground rules would be placed and someone is going to have to review them, which I don't mind doing.

I think it would be difficult to set and maintain the standards of quality that would guide such reviews, especially in the cases where the potential reviewers aren't exactly familiar with the subject being written about.

What kind of things would you expect of a quality article? Would it be okay to just focus on presentation over content when unfamiliar with it? Would it be fair to judge it both ways?

Part of me doesn't want to slow down the process with red tape. I'd really like people to write more guides and I think feeling like they're able to do so freely would facilitate that.

Well, mainly I'm looking at grammar and stuff. Nothing too big o-o. as long as proper English is there, there isn't really much to look over other than the presentation quality.

I guess if it's that alone that would probably be okay to do. I just hope it doesn't get backed up.

The issue of "I'm right, you're wrong" would then come up, along with formal vs informal, 1st vs 2nd vs 3rd person, etc. There could also be multiple guides for the same subject (i.e. g9 final, where one person suggests a hit-and-run tactic while another person suggests grabbing a friend with r1 spear of light and brionac, and just have them nuke claim solas to bypass its hp thresholds), who's to say one's more correct/valid than the other? Hell, two guides can thoroughly contradict each other while still being perfectly valid @_@

I would think the best approach would be to to assume the player reading the guide is either:

• Clueless and want to find something on the subject
• Stuck and existing information does not help them
• Looking into something much deeper for a better understanding

I see what you are trying to say, but it never hurts to have multiple options covering the same subject, provided it is within the means and intends to educate the reader, rather than flat out lie and use a bad outdated strategy. It also depends on the reader. If a guide disinterests them, then they are free to look at other guides covering the same subject.

My concern with this is, will all guides on the same subject share a page? Or will they be subpages to each persons' user page? If it's all on one page, we could separate them by header/editor, but then some may get outdated if the editor stops contributing to the wiki and other are not allowed to edit others content so we would have to first think of a basic rule set for etiquette.

No. I'd rather have it kept in separate pages and yes, they will have to be subpage(s) of the user just as a way to know who wrote it and such. Fortunately, I am fine with anyone editing and correcting my mistakes, provided there was a given reason and I approve of it. I'll leave it up to the user if they want people editing their page(s) or not.

Of course, the title will have to be straight forward in order to make finding the guide much easier. I mean "Finale Guide" could mean anything unless someone puts like "G1 Finale" or something like that. Same thing with stuff like guides to skill sets. The name of the guide will have to be something simple and short, but still reflect the guide's content.

Lexis covered the rest of your concerns, but on the topic of being outdated, we may need to add an exception to the current rules of userspaces to allow others to deprecate out of date guides. Perhaps that should be reserved only for staff, and others would have to report it to them? I'm not sure such a measure is necessary, though. I trust the greater amount of you to not be trolls about the system.

PS: This is going to be implemented in some form regardless, so please use this topic for discussing the manner that it is, rather than dissenting. Guides are also going to exclusively be in the userspace, as they are opinion based. I'll accept no argument on those matters.

Feel free, however, to discuss concerns, ideas, or what have you.

Personally I think informative pages like The Story So Far... should be included in the category as well. How does Category:User Guides sound?

Actually it's going to be super simplified and will eventually replace Mabinogi Storyline Recap. However, I bit off more than I could chew and it, unfortunately, evolved into something massive and requires much replaying, which I don't mind. The problem is my attention span and lack of updating it.

As far as "completed" story lines, my story page can be used as a means to totally rewrite the appropriate sections in the recap page, as I have paraphrased every, single, possible detail.

What about Vindictus then?

Mabinogi ≠ Vindictus, regardless of the amount of similarities that exist. plus this is a Mabinogi wiki, not a Vindictus one.

D: You're making me feel like I wrote that up for nothing qq

Aside from that, I guess that's true...

I look at it sometimes :c. Just saying that that The wiki should focus more so on Mabinogi than stuff pointed out in Vindictus that connects to Mabinogi.

No. I want a category for guides specifically. Other things can do whatever (eg. have their own category, I don't care), but I don't want people having to flithel through a bunch of gunk just to get to the important parts. That's actually highly against the direction I want to take with the wiki.

So I was in the hospital for the past two weeks, so like yeah. Anyway I pointed out some things here[1]. Kinda like party pooping and parade raining. I can say I've had a lot of experience firsthand with this sorta stuff though.