Eluned's Fashionista Dress

Why did you revert it? You can easily tell its a jpg conversion event without zooming in this far. Was the right version breaking another policy?

I think it's pretty obvious that Likehaku's image wasn't breaking any policy. The only good thing I see about the jpg file is that the color contrasts with the background.

mostly because I see people needlessly updating pages about fashion items to include themselves, even though theres no obvious reason. In this particular case, the color contrasts made it easier to tell the details of the outfit, even though the resolution was lower.

Your reason for reverting is terrible, I'm pretty sure the people on here who consistently contribute actually do it to help the wiki and not for their own fame. I've been doing pictures to improve/add on to the wiki. Even some of my contributions have models. I don't even use my main character as much :I

I am not aware of having attacked you. If what I said was against practices you use, you might want to look into not using those practices, because I am pretty sure the updated policy says not to replace images just to replace images.

You can check the reason why someone replaced an image by looking at the file.

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Eluned%27s_Fashionista_Dress_Equipped_Front.png

Which Litehaku said 'pure png'.

Except this time it wasn't needless.

png > jpg

it was not, no, but when the size they are on the actual page theyre used on, it did make it harder to tell the patterns of the dress and which parts are dyed together with the new picture than the old one. Also, both files are currently .png format, even if the old one WAS converted to .png

it is a higher resolution image, so I (now) see the reason for changing it, where as before I saw no reason, just someone liked theirs better, which is the reason I mentioned before, even though the link you provided shows the old one having what appears to be identical pixilation, and no real difference in quality other than the colors the dress was dyed in.

Yeah, Kapra didn't zoom it in enough.

Not going to zoom them in myself, but the ones you reverted to basically had pixels like these: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Converted_png_files.png

And on the wiki, pure png tops converted jpgs.

ok, I looked at the examples, and I zoomed in, and I still dont see any differences, at least... not any that a smaller image size would not explain. Perhaps you can show me it so I can avoid making the same mistake elsewhere?

Still slightly lazy, so I'll explain it for you.

This is a pure png file.

This was a jpg file that was converted to a png.

You can see the differences in the pixels. The jpg to png one has weird colored pixels around the flat surface, while in the pure png file the yellow is where it should be.

that is the one i looked at before, and saw no such differences in the two images we are talking about in this thread. that particular set of images are highly ineffective as they compare two images which are of different things, and make it harder to tell precisely what you are pointing at, and what it should look like. I have to leave for work now, but would like to understand what it SHOULD look like compared to what it DOES on the SAME image. Convert it to jpg and back to png if you have to.

You sure about that? http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/File:Morejpg.png

The green one is not a jpeg and is a pure png. The original red ones are. Do not use the browser's built in zoom as it distorts it. Copying and pasting into an image editor clearly shows the quality difference.

thank you for finally providing SOME sort of explanation that doesnt assume incompetance, and actually provides a way for me to understand what the issue is. Opened with Paint and finally saw a difference, but I do still have one last question: If you have to zoom in THAT far to tell and go to such extensive lengths to see any difference, is it still worth replacing old images with new ones?

To be specific, as I have often been misunderstood, if you have to take an image out of the web browser and into an external program to tell the difference in quality, why does it matter enough to replace it?

Sometimes the difference is hard to tell, but it's still in the policies. It's more like we rather not have any exceptions, which may cause some people to have bad habits and take everything in jpg.

and I can promise you that some converted jpgs look really bad.

Jpegs can distort very small and fine details, such as the belt design on a Muffler Robe. Pure png's are preferred in order to see the finest of details with out distorting the image in any way.

It is harder for some people to notice the difference, such as yourself. Some other people can notice it immediately at full resolution, such as me 75% of the time. The thing about clothing pictures in particular is, unlike other images, people do look at and zoom in on pictures of clothing because they are debating whether or not they want to use that item.

When I first started contributing to the wiki years ago I had a really hard time telling the difference between jpg to png conversions and pure png images, and made plenty of mistakes because of it. To this day I think we continue to make mistakes here but learn from them quickly, and that is what Legiathan should do. Practice makes perfect!

That is my intention, yes. Thank you for the encouragement.