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Regarding you, Seecret, Tamara
Dear, Tamara. I have to ask, why do you always persist to try and change original pics with your pics. First of all, I don't see any difference, second of all, I don't see any necessary part at all, Makes me really think you're doing this for fame, or because you want every thing to have your character's image in it. Really, I see you always trying to revert posts. And you always refusing to listen to others. Team Mari people has said you're rude, and very stubborn. E.G the Portia set. The colors look BLENDED. However you refused to even dye it to at least make it none blended. One of the Team Mari people spoke to you but you refused to cooperate. TM people think you're very rude. Unnecessary edits, really don't need to be made, if a image is there, then leave it there, if people don't like it, I'm sure people would complain about it. But you insist on replacing images that don't make a difference at all. I don't know you, but seriously? You've upset one of our members in Team Mari. And that wasn't nice. If you want fame, you can do that in Alexina in Mabinogi... Come on, at least be NICE and bother to understand what people try to say instead of being stubborn. SINCERELY- Some members of Team Mari. No we don't hate you, but I found you extremely rude and stubborn, so please fix your attitude... =/
I've never been rude to anyone x.x, and I have no idea what "Team Mari" is. I replace images when they need improvement. If you press edit on a page, at the very bottom it will show a tag called Category:NeedPicture, with a reason on why it needs to be replaced. Otherwise, there are other ways you can tell just by looking at the differences in an image or the reason of why it has a new image on it. For the Portia, I never had any complaints for blended colors whatsoever, and I really don't see how it would have that sort of complaint. There is one part on the clothing that is see-through, so maybe you are looking at it at a different way ^^; I do not contribute on the wiki to "show off my character", which is the whole reason I cut half my head off. I don't cut it all off because there are tons of complaints about headless images, otherwise I would have done it. To me the wiki is a place for me to actually be able to help :/ and volunteer, so I see nothing wrong with me trying to help. Who cares who uploads what, as long as the images are meeting standards and improved to the best they can be. Thank you for listening to what I have to say ^^; Sorry to have to say it like this..
Not to interfere with this, but just note that I will be supervising this thread. If this gets out of hand, there will be consequences.
Let me get this straight. According to you, Seecret is using the Wiki as a source of "fame" and wants everything to have her character's image in it. You, meanwhile, are bothered by her replacing images containing certain other peoples' characters because those other peoples' characters are no longer being featured.
Pot, kettle. Just saying.
I have to sort of agree tbh. Seecret is very stubbon and constantly reverts images and/or updates pages when they really do NOT need to be improved at all. Most of ones I see her reverting seem to be very pointless and there's next to zero difference between the 2 images. I also always figured that once an admin or mod reverts the image then that's the point to completely stop and accept it. Not usually the case with seecret...some might consider that rude and/or disrespectful.
- shrugs*
I'm actually under the impression that reversions/uploads done by moderators/admins would be final. Though I am aware that there are times that it could be replaced, however that depends on the circumstances...unfortunately, this case seems to have been started by the Lileas's Suit...however Hienya seems to have an issue with the portia outfit as well. I will admit it is slightly blended...but at least it replaces the the previous images due to the fact it broke the policy by having glow effects on...Obviously this person (along with many others) is not pleased with Seecret's uploads that actually follow the policy. I'll admit I have ran into problems with my own uploads...people saying I hack other accounts and what not...usually told in-game since I sorta encouraged people to add me in-game if they wanna chat with me and the latter. I've even gotten Hate mail during the time that I left my e-mail on my user page. I mean, sure it may seem like (to some people) I am a single person monopolizing the wiki with many accounts, but in actuality, I have friends, and even family, to help with contributions. Of course, i give credit where it is due.
Now...as far as the recent reversion war, I see very little difference, other than the High res.
Who the hell cares. It's a picture. If anything. Delete all the old revisions since they are taking space!
At first, I didn't even know what to say here. Granted, Seecret has come to me with people bugging her, and sometimes I can see why. Some images don't have many differences, but like the above poster said, who cares? Both of them fit the policy, just stick with one, and remove the silly war? On top of that, she has said countless times that she does /not/ do this for fame. She has stopped threads about this and left them before and even has a notice at the top here. u.u" There are images of hers that are not even of her character as well. This can also be done by having someone model for you (which I do, and I am sure Lexis does this as well). And what a wonderful place to start this, all over the wiki like everyone else, instead of in-game, or elsewhere, so everyone can see it. That's no good at all. Oh, and I have never heard of "Team Mari" either, and I kind of got confused when you brought up Alexina. Those are two different severs, correct? Whoever "Team Mari" is, I'm kind of wondering, because I'm actually on that server. I would think that whoever she "upset" would be here, instead of you, Hienya. The only edits you have are just of the Lileas revert, have you not done much else? o.o" And to not forget the topic for this, the Portia and Lileas costumes, there are /some/ differences, such as higher res, or no other equipment, and the one posted by Litehaku has the film shader on. As far as the Portia, there were no real complaints as she said, just someone who seemed to create an account, upload images not fitting the policy, and just reverting for no reason. But why pick it apart? The current images are fine, and fit the policy. Higher res is perfectly fine, as long as it isn't too much to a point where it distorts the item. When I mentioned contributions, I did that because I also wonder if some people come here just to /start/ revert wars with other users for gags and kicks and do nothing else. That's no good either. If that's why you made an account here, then you shouldn't bother staying. It's silly when people do that. But I'm gunna end this because I have stuff to do. Just wanted to stand up and pretty much say "back off" but with more words. Kbye~ c:
Honestly, thank you >< um..all I was doing mostly with replacing the lileas was so that the side view had both sides, since there is a difference between the two. The other point was the glasses the other image had, as well as it wasn't as focused on the lileas. ^^; Since people have been so mad at me for contributing I have actually done a lot less contributions lately. I think people just have a problem with my PAST reverts, and they are taking it out on me now. I would honestly love to be friends with all of you..and I am with most of you already ^^; to me, anyways. I just woke up so my grammar isn't really that perfect, and sorry for that.
Besides, Seecret is just super active on here, so what? The Lileas outfit she had only replaced once, and Litehaku had replaced it for no real reason, as it is. So initially, the photos by Seecret were cropped, they had high resolution, and no other items. And to replace all of them, instead of the side, it keeps them consistent. I had to do that too for the female Bat Set. And really, could people just quit starting these huge rants directed at Seecret? I'm so getting tired of it. :/
If any of this "Team Mari" or any related cult shit persist, it will not be tolerated.
And yes, I am also under the impression that if an admin reverts an image, that it is the final decision, unless there is a clear justification as to why a new version should be uploaded.
And I would agree. Seecret here is just trying to help the wiki. Let's appreciate the work she's contributed to our wiki and how she's using her time to improve our "Mabi Lifestyle", whereas some people (i.e. the OP is just a newly created account to harass and accuse, not even to contribute) just sit and enjoy the wiki. Without contributors like Seecret and the rest of you and I, we wouldn't have this wiki, so let's be thankful that this wiki even exists (especially with the lack of donations, I'm not even sure who pays for the server anymore).
Wow..you really have just put me in awe ><;; Thank you, Kevin! I'm smiling on the inside and the outside, if that makes any sense at all ^^; I do work hard for the wiki every single day, and I actually refresh the recent changes every 5 mins or so.
What a wonderful post that was. Apparently, a friend of mine told me "Team Mari" is some silly group on facebook.We know that the wiki is no place for shenanigans like /that/. Now that I think about it, people need to grow up. "You've upset one of our "Team Mari" members, you're really in trouble now". Whatever. It's a joke, and it doesn't need to be taken here. Plus, Kevin is right, a lot of us bust our butts and actually contribute, and idiots come here just to revert things for kicks, and that gets you banned! Good job. I noticed on the facebook page for this thing, has Tsima or whatever his name is in those screenshots, I think. Wasn't that another dude that was being rude here as well? /trollface C:
Woooah. So Ive been busy with school and I see about one or two people agreeing with me and heaps of people siding with Seecret. Look, I love the wiki, but I hated it(this is my PERSONAL Pov, we all have different POV's, so, don't hate lol) when Seecret always reverts images EVEN IF the original picture was just fine. Seriously, why do that? doing that makes me think you want fame and to add it on your "contribution list". And okay second, Team Mari is not a "silly group on facebook", Anemki, or should i say a member of Lightguardia, my past guildie? Team Mari has 665 members. Which is A LOT for a "silly facebook group for some people". The member even asked you politely if you could dye it or some sort to make it look not blended, your response? no of course, because like I said you're stubborn, and you know that to the revertations. Okay, so all the admins take your side, because I have a point of view here? It just annoys me that I see a crap load of items on your "list", does it make you proud? really? I actually prefered some original images, not only Lileas, but you had to barge in and replace it, some images even had black, white or a dark red on it. If I remember right, those are NOT allowed on the wiki? yet you keep reverting it anyways so you can have it on your list? I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I just wish you can stop being so stubborn and listen to some of us sometimes. Anemki, if you are a fellow Marian, you should know what's happening. No, Team Mari is not a stupid group as you say, because it's what we do, besides forums, because this is our Mari group. If you don't believe me, Anemki, you can join your self and check it out. We post not only irrelevant subjects, but also Mari selling, buying, warnings, and we tell what's going on. The member posted about Seecret, stating her attitude is horrible. And ETC. So just because of that you guys all try to hate on me for trying to defend my fellow- server buddy from Mari? Is this really how Alexina people are? Sigh. Seecret is 15 though. Her age should explain why she's so stubborn at times, but okay. Sorry, for the late reply cause I was busy with school and just got on holiday *-*
asdniasdiasd I should read everything before posting e.e Anemki, Tsima is banned from Team Mari. We all hate him. And no, your trolling skills are quite amateur, you may want to learn from Daannyx or some one that's a "troll" lol xD
a big note here. One, I am not bashing her, I simply wish she could listen to what we have to say, and at least try to understand how some of us think. If that counts as bashing, then what the heck lol.
Two, I know this can result a ban, but I am stating my POV here. If you guys can't handle it... Then nevermind =/ forget what I said because my points of view are useless to you guys anyway. Have a good day al' -log out cause I have stuff to do @@-
- What "attitude"? I have only ever been nice to people...
- Nobody asked me to dye my Portia, and if so it must have been long ago and I didn't have enough for dyes.
- I have the contributions list so I can keep tabs on what I can update that I've done to make the wiki better, and I can't go to my contributions list because it would only show me my past 500 contributions (including text edits).
- If you saw an image where I have black and/or white in it, I remind you I have been on this wiki for a long time and it was probably old, when I was still learning HOW to contribute. There is no problem with mistakes whatsoever.
- Calling me stubborn for reverting images that actually may be unnecessary? That's a very horrible thing to say :/
- Nobody here is "siding", they are just stating what they think is right or wrong in a situation like this.
- Just because "Team Mari" has however many members, doesn't mean it's going to be as much of a deal as the rest of the people using the wiki, which is what over 5 million? ^^;
- Oh, last but not least, the users here on the wiki are my friends, and I really think you should watch what you say about them. They mean a lot to me and they aren't bad at all!
Thank you, and I am finished here. Sorry to Kevin or anyone else who got the messages just now, and hopefully this situation is resolved, or at least soon. ^^;
First reply her~, Uh....mabye "Team Mari" should actually uhhhh whats the word, CONTRIBUTE? Instead of making random accounts to go and complain about things that aren't even a big deal, the only thing that needs a change on the portia page is the icon. Other than that i really don't see whats wrong with it. Your right, everyone has their pov, and the way i see it you guys are trying to bug someone because they contribute a lot? The excuses your naming weren't real big issues :|..so can we please put an end to this.. The wiki isn't a place for arguements, it's a place for people to obtain info and view things that are available to them.
And to discuss any changes and/or reforms where necessary. Now...I think this may have gotten a little bit off hand. If people have an issue of the same person contributing over and over, and then only to make an account just to talk to someone over...this...is absurd. As ☯ǝʞoʇo⊥☯ said, this is not the place for this. (not siding with anyone but may sound bias) ♥šεεçrετ♥ would do any other active contributor would and fill in empty spots, upload images where necessary. As stated in the image policy, higher resolutions and or better zoom is preferred over grainy zoomed out images. However, there is a limit on how big images can be. Currently, the maximum image size is 1024 x 768. If a person decides that current images do not meet standards or is low resolution and does not show enough features/details, then the person can replace it and state the changes in the summary. If another feels that is unnecessary, then that person can revert, as long as they state a valid reason.
Reading the posts, I feel a bit of jealously if not anger? If a group of people do not like a single person who actively contributes, that's their problem. The wiki is a public database for people to search for equipment, weaponry, enchants, and other sorts of information. The wiki is not a place to accuse users of monopolizing the wiki for Fame and/or glory. That's all I have to say.
A friend of mine gave me the link for Team Mari, and I went through it's members. Quite a few of these members are my close friends in-game. They probably joined it just to show what server they're from, and big deal. And yes, I was wondering why you and the last person to harass Seecret here hasn't had many contributions here, or just made accounts to revert or change images to be a pain in the ass. As far as Seecret's list, big deal? I used to have one too. Sure, so what if either of us are proud of something. I'm sure you're proud of your work too. I'm proud of improving a website for the good. I am proud of the help and the involvement I have had here, volunteering, and helping out. I am sure Seecret is too, so why should you care, other people in Team Mari. I do apologize for saying "silly", it's just a generic word I tend to use. But really, if people are so upset, then just contribute. A friend and I here that are on the Mari server probably don't associate ourselves with Team Mari. It doesn't make us any better or any worse than them. And being a part of Team Mari on facebook doesn't make you guys better or worse than us. As long as being a part of the wiki. It doesn't change our superiority. I do really like the post Lexis just put up here as well. Because this is a resource for players from Mabinogi to look up and browse such items and info. There's no reason to make a big fuss over someone who is proud or someone who does a lot of work here. So who really gives a damn? Sorry for the language, but I am trying to not be so crude. But really, you may not say that you're bashing her, but as far as I've seen, various people have, and I'm getting rather bored of it. People who support her are her friends, but maybe do agree with her points. Please don't come here and make a big deal over little things, because she's active or because she's upset a member of Mari. And if I have something to say to Seecret regarding her "attitude" whatever that may be, or dealing with something she does, I personally message her in-game or on Skype and tell her how it is, and she listens. It isn't hard. Doing this all over the wiki just makes you look stupid. Also, Seecret is not on the Alexina server, she's on Tarlach.