User talk:Angevon/ZRoc2

2nd Archive of my talk with User:ZRoc.

Please do not edit this page.

Sorting

I have made a template that will accept a number and output it with a hidden sort key, as long as the number always comes first in the cell of the table column being sorted then it will enforce numerical sorting. See this example table to see what it does. The template is called User:ZRoc/Fns, it uses another template I made called User:ZRoc/trunc and both pages have a description and usage explanation on them. I made User:ZRoc/trunc because MediaWiki's trunc function is not supported on this wiki. The templates are basically mathematical formulas, they are small and dont format tables or pages so they should rarely, if ever, need to be updated which hopefully means no fan-out problems for the wiki's server. Hope these prove useful but even if they don't I've found out a lot about the wiki and templates =3 By the way, I still don't like using templates unless they are really needed but I couldn't find a better way of doing this *cries...* *goes finds some cookies to eat, munch, munch, munch...* *feels better now* XD --ZRoc (Talk) 19:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

If you wish to use the templates they can be changed (moved?) to "Template:Fns" and "Template:MWtrunc" (MW for Mabinogi World). I wouldn't use "trunc" as MediaWiki uses that as an operator function (this wiki doesn't support it at the moment but that may change in the future), however, "Fns" doesn't seem to present a problem, though I could be wrong. If you have a better idea for their names or want something changed then do suggest it (I'm still trying to figure out templates and expressions so I may not be able to do a suggested change but I'll try). --ZRoc (Talk) 14:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Weapon Page Layout

In the table from the Dungeons section on your Dagger example page, you have a style column. The row with Alby Advanced Hardmode has "11 Max Durability" and I think that actually should be a "-". Where as, "Alby Advanced Hardmode" and "11 Max Durability" should be listed in the item grade table with the rest of the stats of that version of the dagger. Also, I think that Dungeons section is a good idea, including the Style column. In the Misc. section should enchants and rare colors be listed in brackets after the method of obtaining the item? For example, with the Gladius it could be something like:
Soldier Gachapon (rare pink color; rank 9 suffix Crow enchant)
Or possibly, a two column table in the Misc. section with Obtained From and Style columns. --ZRoc (Talk) 09:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Shadow Monster

Change {{{Image|{{{Name|none}}}.png}}} to this instead [[File:{{{Image|{{{Name|Unknown}}}.png}}}]] so that the Image parameter links to an image and the default for Image becomes "Unknown.png" instead of "none.png". The second change is a quibble but you use Unkown as the default value for other parameters. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, you might want to add something like "|120px", to restrict the width of an image, i.e., use [[File:{{{image|{{{Name|Unknown}}}.png}}}|120px]]. See User:ZRoc/Test_Page#Sandbox for an example, the template its using is User:ZRoc/Example Page. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Tuatha de Danann

I know this is probably not all that important but it is bothering me and I would like your opinion. The in-game books use Tuatha de Danann, Tuatha Dé Danann, Tuatha de Danaan and Tuatha de Denaan. I know spelling and historical accuracy don't play a major role when Nexon makes a game like Mabinogi but searching Google and Wikipedia gives Tuatha Dé Danann as the correct spelling. However, Tuatha de Danann seems to be the most common usage in the in-game books, is easier to type than Tuatha Dé Danann and is the closest in spelling to Tuatha Dé Danann. Also, the Glossary uses its own unique spelling (i.e., Tuatha De Dannan) which apears nowhere else. So, would it be OK to change the Glossary version to Tuatha de Danann? As the in-game books appear to be verbatim copies, I would leave their differently spelt versions as they are but would prefer to change any none verbatim use to a single version. Perhapes I could add a note to the Glossary definition mentioning the different in-game book versions and state that only one version should be used elsewhere if it is not a verbatim copy of in-game text? --ZRoc (Talk) 13:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Hidden Categories

There is a magic word __HIDDENCAT__ which if placed in category means that pages belonging to that category wont list it at the bottom of the page. This seems useful for spoilers like the Mainstream NPC categories I created. Andras is in the Human (NPC) category because that is what she appears to be without doing the mainstream related RP quest that shows she is in fact an Elf disguised as a Human. Placing her in the Elf Mainstream (NPC) category has "Category:Elf Mainstream (NPC)" displayed at the bottom of her page. But I put __HIDDENCAT__ on the Elf Mainstream (NPC) category page and she is still listed there but "Category:Elf Mainstream (NPC)" does not display on the bottom of her page and therefore doesn't produce a spoiler. Is it alright to use this? --ZRoc (Talk) 08:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

According to WikiMedia: "Hidden categories can be made visible by ticking the item Show hidden categories in the "Misc" section in the user's preference " --ZRoc (Talk) 09:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Image Parameter

In the Shadow Monster Template, if the image is too tall at the 120px width then you can still reduce its height by using |Image=Image_Name.ext{{!}}x??px just replace ?? with a number that is a lower height than what is displayed in the Shadow Monster table. That might take a bit of trial and error (unless you can guess image heights by looking at them) but you can lower the height to what you want. You can't use this to adjust the width nor exceed the maximum proportionate height that the 120px width will allow. Note that, the credit for making Template:! belongs to Lionheart, not me and he uses it as a way of being able to use the pipe character in conditional statements which he uses to hide optional table sections in style templates (e.g., the quest style templates I was bitching about lol). --ZRoc (Talk) 12:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Woot, I got praised XD. Your Welcome =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 20:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sorting Templates

I'm not sure if it should be. I made the template as the wiki was giving you trouble getting things to sort numerically and told Ladywinter about it because it might have had a use in her stat modifier enchant tables (I realise she isn't working on them at the moment lol). However, I've thought about it since and it might produce some problems. If you add it to a long table, the effect is like adding images/icons on each row or using a style template for each row, that is, if the sever is running slow (and its been running slow for me since the Zardine update) then the table takes longer to load. Also, like using style templates for rows in long tables, even if only a few pages had those long tables then editing the template will stop the server in its tracks. A possible solution for the second problem would be to protect the sorting template, if it gets used a lot. If you don't think these are problems that should stop me using it then I will change it to a template and start using it >=3 --ZRoc (Talk) 04:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Font color coding

Woops, sorry I didn't know. Will change them back to 6 letters instead of 3. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, I downloaded the latest vesion of Opera (but still use Firefox cause I'm use to it) and when I changed the font color to fff the white text went missing in preview. This does get confusing and again my apoligies. Should all color parameters be given in 6 characters/digits to ensure they work on as many browsers as possible? Some color parameters use aaa and 000, on the equipment pages. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't help but notice, erm, how exactly does the 3-digit color like... work...? I've been guessing it's like each digit "copies", so like.... 123 would equal 112233 (I COULD BE WRONG D:)...something tells me I'm wrong though. So yea... how does it work..?--αму^ταιқ♪♫_♪ 00:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, if I'm editing a page and if I remember (lol) then I'll change any three character code to six but otherwise will just do it for new tables/pages. --ZRoc (Talk) 01:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Claus Knight Boots

Its page lists its defense as 1 and protection as 0, is this correct? Its a blacksmithing product, they usually have the higher protection and for shoes that's usually 1. I know they say boots but they look like greaves. Is it possible you could check on the JP wiki, whenever you have spare time (its not really that important lol). --ZRoc (Talk) 06:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thank you for checking =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 02:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Outfit Items

Dramartistic (I'm using this cause she changes her sig so much XD) asked in Category talk:Clothes about clothes being a category for outfit items. I think "Outfit Items" would in fact work for a category name to include equippable non-weapon and non-consumable (equippable consumables are magic powders, blacksmith manuals, etc) items, that is, Robes, Headgear, Clothing/Armor, Shoes, Gloves and Accessories. Its hard to seperately talk about weapon equipment, non-weapon equipment and equippable consumable items. Having Weapons, Tools, Instruments and Outfit Items as the major sub-categories of Equipment would be helpful, I think lol. A couple of dictionary definitions (Macquarie Dictionary) for outfit are;

• an assemblage of articles for fitting out or equipping: an explorer's outfit
• a woman's costume, usually including dress, coat, hat, shoes, etc., and matching accessories.

Note that, Outfit itself wont work as it refers to a complete set, whereas Outfit Items would refer to the items that could be used to make an outfit. Also, unlike the Designer Set category, it would be for any item that can be combined into an outfit, not just those belonging to an outfit with a designer or style name. Also, weapons are rarely included, in real-life, as belonging to an outfit.
I didn't realise until recently that weapons were a part of the Equipment category, as they are listed seperately on the wiki's front page, I always thought they were a seperate category in the Item category. However, weapons are equipment, as are tools and instruments. --ZRoc (Talk) 10:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot about shields. If you like this idea then I guess Equipment should consist of Weapons, Tools, Instruments, Shields and Outfit Items as its sub-categories. If you don't like the idea then just disregard all the above wasted text T.T --ZRoc (Talk) 14:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

IM SORRY I CHANGE MY SIG SO MUCH. I'M AN INDECISIVE PERSON. T___________________T..... I call them "outfits" because they're the eqiupment that's put on the majority of the body, but is both, clothing and armor. And typing "clothing/armor" is too long (I'm a lazy person... and an indecisive person. :D), and trying to make some kind of a compound word would make no sense at all either. I question ZRoc's proposal (don't ask why I'm putting this on your userpage, Angevon. I'm just odd like that ;-;??) I'll admit, in real life, accessories would be included as part of an outfit (mostly necklaces, I think), but in the world of Erinn, accessories don't do much except be there (I mean, you can't even see them..). So I personally think they shouldn't belong in the outfit category. As for robes, eh.. its a little debatable. They can look pretty, but they still cover a lot, and I personally think they tend to look really boring. ZRoc: Expect my sig to change again within the next few days or so, I'm not very content with the alias I used.--^{Dяαмαятιѕтιс 's} ταιқ 00:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, so it wasn't a good idea, I won't worry about it =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 12:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Monster Template

The present monster template does not allow you to search for a given monster on a page listing a group of monsters, as the section title and monster table are both generated by the monster template. For example, Caldera Goat has a redirect page so that links go to the Caldera Goat section on the Sheep page, however, typing Caldera Goat in the search function does not give the Sheep page or any other page as a result. However, I have placed <span style="display:none">Caldera Goat</span> near the bottom of the Sheep page and the Sheep page now comes up when searching for Caldera Goat. Would this be helpful or just a waste of time for monster pages? --ZRoc (Talk) 12:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll wait and see what happens to the monster template. Not into doing wasted effort (well not usually) XD --ZRoc (Talk) 19:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Mabinogi unpacker

Yes, my username is the same on the forum (who else would use something so boring lol) and please do PM your copy. Yay, a new toy to play with *ahem* at last I can see what Hengsheng120 was talking about on his user page. Thank you so much =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 04:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Dogs

Could you please delete the redirect page called Dog. I want to move Wild Dog to the Dog page but I don't want to copy/paste cause the Wild Dog page has a talk page. The NPC dog is now Dog (NPC) and the Wild Dog page is incorrectly named as it has Wild Dogs, Keep Hound, Armor Hounds and Hellhound. Like Wolf has Wolves, Dire Wolves, Jungle Wolves, etc., then so should the monster dogs be on a page called Dog. I've moved Mountain Sheep to Sheep (there was no talk page) and the NPC sheep are now on Sheep (NPC). Both Sheep and Sheep (NPC) are in the Bovidae species category. --ZRoc (Talk) 15:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 17:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Light Hetero Kite Shield

Sorry to bother you again but the Template:DataLight Hetero Kite Shield, which you seem to have created, has the blacksmithing manual as costing 54,000g yet I can't find an NPC that sells the manual (only seems to drop from bears as far as I can find out). Is the price of the manual for some NPC that will sell it in a future update of the game? --ZRoc (Talk) 19:05, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Should the price remain there? People may get confused if the blacksmith manual isn't sold by an NPC but a price is still shown for it. --ZRoc (Talk) 19:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S.  While stalking  *ahem* When I randomly found your forum profile I discovered that, besides having the "And, and, he has COWS" (I love that comment) blog, you've made a ragnorok comic. I've only read a few of the beginning strips so far but between those and your comments it's really quite funny (now I have more things to waste my time on) XD --ZRoc (Talk) 22:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:FutureContent

Could you please add [[Category:Templates]] to the bottom of Template:FutureContent. --ZRoc (Talk) 22:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't all the templates of the type "Template:DataMonsterMonster Name" be in a Category:DataMonsters, as well as Category:Data? --ZRoc (Talk) 23:44, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, I only asked because people are still creating data templates for monsters, as well as other things. I thought it would be more helpful for those people but your right, when I've (rarely) edited or copied a data template I've never used the data categories to find it. I won't worry about it. Thank you in advanced for changing the FutureContent template =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 00:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sweep Pet Command

On the JP wiki can certain broom pets obtain only certain random items with the Sweep! command, like different pets that use the Fetch! command? --ZRoc (Talk) 09:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Item Grades

When monsters drop items they may not have their full charge of durability and need to be repaired, e.g., a Gathering Axe dropped by a bear I killed had 1/8 durability. In the Item Grades table, should we note that an item obtained with a durability of say 1/8 is entered as that instead of just 8? A Gathering Axe created via blacksmithing or bought from an NPC will have its durability fully charged and won't need to be repaired until after it is actually used, so these could be entered as say 8/8. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Cooking Table

I've tried applying the changes for the weapon pages to a non-weapon item, namely the Cooking Table. I've added two sections, a Transaction Costs section (below the Repairing section) and a Part-time Jobs sub-section (in the Methods to Obtain section). I haven't done anything about the ToC and will leave that until we have some sort of agreement on what should be done with it. The Bank transaction Fee cant be added to Transaction Costs table because it depends on what prices NPCs charge for a base item grade version and therefore belongs in the NPC Stores table. Changing the style of the page took a while but getting all the info up-to-date took even longer and I think that's a problem with most pages. Let me know what you think =3
P.S. I've also asked a question immediately above this one, in case you miss it XD --ZRoc (Talk) 13:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll check on the mailing fee. If its the same as banking then I'll mention that they are the same somewhere but if not then I'll definitely add it. Thank you for thinking of it =3 Also, I think linking each transaction type is a better way of doing it. You're right they look odd but I might change the table to this (as the table isn't very wide I split it in two to save some space). Also, a page about transaction costs would still be useful but it should include all transaction costs and fees, i.e., includes the Bank Transaction Fee and any others I can't think of at the moment. Have it link to pages or section of pages that give greater details about a transaction cost? Or make a category instead? --ZRoc (Talk) 23:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Purple Rose Bouquet

Please have a look at the Purple Rose Bouquet page and its Weapon Stats section. The collapsible tables in your Dagger example pages are a little to the right of normal tables. This is particularly noticeable where a normal table is immediately above or below a collapsible table, as in the Weapon Stats section. On the Purple Rose Bouquet page I have added code to the collapsible Item Grades table to make it align to the left with the Weapon Info table above it. This can be applied to all collapsible tables.

Also, note the use of a hard space code (i.e.,  ) at the end of the Weapon Info table so that it only has a single empty line between it and the collapsible Item Grades table.

This appears to work on Firefox 3.5, IE 8 and Opera 10.1. --ZRoc (Talk) 01:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. the code added to the collapsible Item Grades table is shown (in bold) below;
{| cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
|-
|
{| class="collapsible collapsed" cellspacing="0"
|-
! height="25" style="border:1px Solid #aaaaaa;" bgcolor="#e7f3e8" |  Item Grades
--ZRoc (Talk) 01:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I've made a general guide for a Methods to Obtain section on User:ZRoc/Guides. It is incomplete and probably incorrect, if you wish to change or add something then feel free to do so, you have my permission to edit the page (he tells an admin, who can anyway but knowing you I bet you'd still ask XD) --ZRoc (Talk) 07:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Oops

Didn't see your message on your user page, about being away. Hope you have fun (or had fun, if you only read this after coming back lol). I'll enjoy a summer break as I'm in Oz =P --ZRoc (Talk) 07:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Methods to Obtain Guide

Welcome back =3
I would probably go with
[[Exploration Treasures|Exploration Chest]] found by [[Actions#L-Rod Exploration|L-Rod exploration]] in [[Iria]].
cause it gives links to exploration treasures, L-rod exploration action and Iria, which is all relevant and provides quick access to each topic. However, I wouldn't be fussed if you or others really wanted to use
[[Iria Exploration]]
the longer sentence is just my preferance but I won't be upset if it's not used XD. --ZRoc (Talk) 06:07, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I've moved the Methods to Obtain guide to User:ZRoc/Guides/Methods to Obtain and made User:ZRoc/Guides a directory for guides. If you wish to create a guide sub-page to User:ZRoc/Guides for something else then you can do so or if you have any ideas for a guide then please suggest it. You have my permission to edit any of my guide sub-pages (I have listed that you have that permission on the existing sub-page and will do so for any future ones) =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 06:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

PS. If you think anyone else should be allowed to edit a guide or all the guides then let me know. I won't let just anyone edit them but there are obviously other people, like you, who have a lot of knowledge about the wiki, use commonsense (not that I use this often myself XD) and are trustworthy. I will trust your judgement if you think someone can help and you would know better than me who would be a help =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 07:04, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

PPS. I've added an Enchants column to the Events table. There is a Wizard Combat Wand listed in the Premium Chest section of the Treasure Chest Event (2009-04-30 to 2009-05-07). --ZRoc (Talk) 11:16, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, would this do for shadow monster drops (I've got the shadow monsters in comment tags on the Combat Wand page, as they're not implemented yet);

What	Where	Enchants
Hobgoblin Exorcist	Courcle (Lappa, L-Rod Exploration)
Shadow Lancer (Light Armor)	Hard Mission: Defeat Crag Cow, Defeat Shadow Warrior, Alchemy Experiements (IV, V & VI)
Shadow Lancer (Light Armor Strong)	Hard Mission: Defeat Fomor Commander I, Defend Taillteann - Gate Protection, Sketch the Heart of Courcle, Alchemy Experiments (VII & VIII)

--ZRoc (Talk) 12:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

The Shadow Missions table works for me, in fact I changed the Job Difficulty column heading to just Difficulty in the Part-time Jobs table. The Difficulty heading makes as much sense as Job Difficulty as its in the Part-time Job section, its a heading that is now used in other tables and its shorter (always a good thing for a column heading lol). I did a minor rewording of the Difficulty column's explanation in the guide but otherwise it looks good.

If we actually know that an item will always drop without an enchant then I would use "None" but in some cases an item may or may not drop with an enchant (I think some items may drop with an enchant but only rarely, e.g., gachapons). If it can't be determined whether a dropped item will or won't have an enchant then leaving it blank would be less confusing or perhapes use "Unknown" or a "?". If an item sometimes drops with an enchant and sometimes not, then perhapes we could use something like "May come without enchants." (better wording would help but you get the idea lol), as well as the names of possible enchants it may drop with. For example;

Where	Enchants	Style
Location	May come without enchants. Prefix: Enchant1, Enchant2 Suffix: Enchant3, Enchant4	Color

--ZRoc (Talk) 09:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved User:ZRoc/Guides/Methods to Obtain (have marked this page for deletion) to User:ZRoc/Guides/Methods to Obtain Layout and created User:ZRoc/Guides/Weapon Stats Layout (not urgent but feedback would be appreciated =3). Also, in the Methods to Obtain section, a number of those tables will eventually become long, should we make them sortable by the first column only (though I wouldn't hide them unless they become really long which should still be quite a while in the future)? --ZRoc (Talk) 15:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh rats, I didn't think about the colspans (or did you mean rowspans?) used in some of those tables. I won't worry about making them sortable unless we really need to. I don't wanna change the code on all those pages that use rowspans (just making them sortable would take long enough lol) and they look better than single rows repeating the same thing in one or more columns. --ZRoc (Talk) 15:19, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll add the Character Card method to the Misc. section, however, all character cards should be listed somewhere with associated dates and items available. That is, something that also includes the special event character cards like the present Christmas premium cards and the recent Thanks Giving (sorry if that's wrong, I never remember what US holidays are called lol). Those cards come with special equipment and some of that equipment still can't be obtained elsewhere (I could be wrong as I have never bother with those cards). I wouldn't bother about past ones unless the info is readily available somewhere else on the wiki but perhapes we should do it from now on. Maybe just a single page with a table listing all the cards, a start date, a finish date and associated equipment and/or other items available with them (e.g., Example Card Table). An anchor could be placed next to each cards name in the table so we can link to individual cards (for cards that are always available place a dash in the date columns and for those we don't know the dates use a question mark). Probably don't add the table to the Character Card page, as it seems long enough already. --ZRoc (Talk) 10:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Shadow Monster Table

I've added {{anchor|end table}} at the end of each shadow monster template table and also to the extra drop list template table in "Light Armor Drops" on the Shadow Lancer page. This removes the extra white space under each table. You could convert the shadow monster table and drop list table templates to HTML code (instead of the wiki pipe code), as was done for the blacksmithing and tailoring requirements template tables but until that's done this can be used as a quick fix. The name of the anchor is irrelevant and the anchor template itself may not be the only thing that works but it needs to be something that can be added in edit mode but doesn't display when the page is saved. A hard space, i.e., " " doesn't work, it seems to need something that behaves like a template. If you don't want to use it then by all means remove them XD.
I've added it to the very bottom shadow monster template table so that anything added under it, in future, wont have the same problem. That one didn't have white space under it as the end/bottom of a page doesn't seem to trigger the problem.
This works on Firefox 3.5, Opera 10.1 and IE8.

The "Light Armor Drops" section is a good idea but you should keep a single row in each of the related shadow monster's table, where the drop list section was, with a short sentence, such as, "Drops: see the [[#Light Armor Drops|Light Armor Drops]] section below."

I read on the WikiMedia site that section headings should use two or more equal signs, on each side. It said a single equal sign on each side of a heading has the same properties as a page heading and may cause problems. However, (as usual) it didn't go into details or give examples of the problems that could occur (the site seems to assume a visitor has a greater basic knowledge than I actually have XD). So, I don't really know how wrong or right it is to use a single equal sign for a section heading but you may want to be careful about using it, as you have on the Shadow Lancer page.

PS. I've also left a message in the section above. =3 --ZRoc (Talk) 12:11, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

As I said, I don't know what problems it may cause (still trying to figure it out but the sites I googled expect me to understand a lot more than I do) but if you (an admin) start using it then so will others. Is there someone who would be able to find out quicker than me or actually knows what problems it may cause? Sorry for being a pain but I think if the WikiMedia site warns against its use then we should at least be wary about it. However, I agree that the page looks better and more consistent with the headings as they are, so if there isn't any major problem then the section headings should remain as they are. --ZRoc (Talk) 10:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The Wikimedia page I was quoting is here, the warning is in the top row (called "Sections and subsections") of the table. Note that other sites have given similar warnings but with little or no explanation (or a brief explanation of stuff that makes no sense to me lol). --ZRoc (Talk) 10:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia states in Section editing "Please do not use only one equals sign on a side (=Heading=). This would cause a section heading to be as large as the page's name (title)." If that's the only problem then I was worrying about nothing XD. Will keep looking. --ZRoc (Talk) 11:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Again from Wikipedia "Heading 1 (=Heading 1=) is automatically generated as the title of the article, and is never appropriate within the body of articles." (Wikipedia:Layout). --ZRoc (Talk) 11:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

It still looks OK and with those wonderful shadow monster template tables who would notice the difference *hoping abject flattery will smooth over any ruffled feathers* o.o;; --ZRoc (Talk) 17:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

For the No Drops template I changed;

|-

! bgcolor="#e7f3e8" colspan="7" | '''Drops'''

|-

| bgcolor="#ffffff" colspan="7" | {{{Drops|?}}}

to this instead;

|-

| bgcolor="#e7f3e8" colspan="7" | '''Drops:''' See the [[#{{{Drops}}}|{{{Drops}}}]] section below.

It uses one less row and reduces the Drops parameter to just the sections name. Also centered looks better than left aligned, in my humble opinion :). Thank you for allowing me to edit the template (though I did mention I sometimes lack commonsense, so maybe you shouldn't... nope sorry, too late, you can't take it back BWAHAHAHAHAHA) --ZRoc (Talk) 14:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Changed it again to include shadow monsters that don't drop anything;

|-

| bgcolor="#e7f3e8" colspan="7" | {{#if: {{{Drops}}}|'''Drops:''' See the [[#{{{Drops}}}{{!}}{{{Drops}}}]] section below.|'''Drops Nothing'''}}

--ZRoc (Talk) 14:54, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sweep Pet Command

Thank you for trying anyway.

And I hope you have a very merry christmas too! =3

P.S. I'm an atheist (to my very religious grandparents disgust lol) so I'm being a bit of a hypocrite wishing you a merry christmas but the sentiment is true. Also, thank you for all your help on the wiki and for putting up with me... Saint Angevon XD --ZRoc (Talk) 14:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Weapon Stats Layout

Good point about the stats, I think your suggestion about ordering them by durability is better and stupidly I forgot they were sortable even though I was messing around with the code. *bangs head on table a few times* Nope, that doesn't seem to have started my brain working but has woken me up. *is dizzy but definitely more awake thanks to the painful headache* Will drink coffee instead next time, less painful!! --ZRoc (Talk) 15:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Template Edit Buttons

I don't know if it's on purpose if the edit button on the table's produced by style/data template combinations (such as, the monster table templates) are meant to go to the data template's displayed page instead of directly to that template's edit mode page. However, if a link directly to the edit mode page of a template is desired, and you want it to look like a normal link, then, instead of having a link look like an external link, the following can be used;
<span class="plainlinks">[Full_URL Optional_Replacement_Text]</span>
for example using [http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Template:DataMonsterSalamander&action=edit edit] displays as edit
but using <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Template:DataMonsterSalamander&action=edit edit]</span> displays as edit. Both links go directly to the edit mode page of the template instead of going to it's displayed page. --ZRoc (Talk) 13:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

New Year

I know I wished you merry Xmas but this one is for wishing you a great New Year (and I have no issues making this one XD). I wasn't offended by your Xmas wish (I like the sentiment it expresses), I just don't care for the religion that produced it. In case you do have a faith then please understand this is solely my opinion and is not meant to insult you (something my grandparents can neither understand or accept). --ZRoc (Talk) 18:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)