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Help with freezing boss ranked enemies?

Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Frozen Blast

I think so, but not like that matters o-o. the the high MP cost is rather trivial...I mean yeah humans/elves get mana reduction easily compared to giants but Meh. I care less for it since i don't mage. I have seen some tanky Giant Mages and their damage isn't impeded by the high mana usage.

まそっぷ ! (talk)20:03, 17 August 2013

Damage isn't impeded, but range is. Larger hitbox means magic spam is interrupted by melee more easily because targets don't need to advance as far before hitting back.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)20:52, 17 August 2013

That 1 inch distance makes the difference right? Because also lag doesn't exist either.

DANTE20XX (talk)21:19, 17 August 2013

It does for bolts at low ranks when you can't stun lock.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)22:08, 17 August 2013

You have GOT to be joking. You should go test this for hours and hours and then come back. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

DANTE20XX (talk)22:17, 17 August 2013

I'm not. I used icebolt almost exclusively for years and years. Back when I was at low ranks, starting as far as possible or starting an inch less than that was the difference between getting 10 hits on a spike laghodessa then loading counter or landing 7 hits then being mauled(varies with the speed of the monster and which lag fixes you're using, but small distances make a difference). Oh, and yes, I had a great time.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)22:38, 17 August 2013

That's called lag still. Now test it on a giant.

DANTE20XX (talk)22:54, 17 August 2013
 

Oh god it's a PYRAMID

But uhh I think that's lag. I would notice if stun was reduced.

まそっぷ ! (talk)22:59, 17 August 2013
 

Isn't there a way to break the pyramid? Or at least make a new setting that gets rid of it or something?

Guys don't derail the topic.

Infodude575 (talk)23:11, 17 August 2013
 

Stop adding to it D: you're making me add to it shamelessly :c...And not that I know of. As far as bolt stun goes...I'll check something in a bit.

まそっぷ ! (talk)23:13, 17 August 2013

Thread Pyramiding is Bad.png Isn't that link the cause of said pyramid?

Is it? well I hope not (using the link now)

AWWW CRAP

まそっぷ ! (talk)00:40, 18 August 2013

LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!

DANTE20XX (talk)00:56, 18 August 2013
 
 
 

I'm not talking about lag, and I did not say that distance influences stun. I said that the distance the enemy has to travel in order to hit you influences how long you can spam low rank bolts before you get hit or have to load def/ca/wm(assuming the monster is trying yo run at you the whole time) If you have a bigger hitbox, they don't need to run as far to get to you.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)23:40, 17 August 2013

If the giant hitbox is even bigger (it's most likely not because WM is affected by hitbox size and it was confirmed ages ago that giant WM is the same) it wouldn't even be noticeable. The hitboxes are only noticeable on huge creatures like golems or giant spiders, nothing else that is "giant sized" like most SM humanoid monsters.

DANTE20XX (talk)23:54, 17 August 2013

Last time i checked, we had no conclusive evidence that hitbox size directly influences WM range.

Sozen Cratos Focker (talk)00:01, 18 August 2013

It does though. You can even get such a huge WM range by transforming into a certain spider (I forget which ones) with transformation mastery and using WM.

DANTE20XX (talk)00:04, 18 August 2013