Shield?

Are the hidden defense bonuses are the same as a normal shield? That's awfully strange since it provides magic defense...

If that's true, then its just unfortunate too how there's a even greater gap between shields and guard cylinders.

We have no way of determining how much def/prot/etc it gives, only that there is an unexplained damage reduction which points to hidden defensive stats.

Wat? You talking about the hidden stats?

Ya, why? Know how to find them? They weren't in itemdb last I had checked.

...They're there. Since... as long as I can remember.

How'd we obtain the hidden stat values for the individual shields in the first place?

Not through !! SSHHHCANTTANKABOUTTHAT!

"Can't tank"? What?

Do you seriously not understand what the typo meant or did you just want to show how little you know?

I can't help you out if it's the latter.

Nope to either, I am simply pointing out your mistake.

“	"Can't tank"? What?	„

sounds nothing like

“	Hey, you made a typo. You said "tank" instead of "talk".	„

So glad to see that even after being gone for half a year, nothing's really changed >_>

Welcome back to the insanity that is, Mabinogi world Wiki's discussion pages :D...

Ehh that aside, I do have one question: While Guard Cylinders fully function as a shield, while with the benefit of a cylinder, would it benefit from both cylinder and shield enchants? I think I might have overlooked something around here.

“	Accepts both cylinder- and shield-type enchants, but only receives shield-type reforges.	„

Yeah...I found that shortly after looking at the page. Another thing, why is that note about tower cylinders there? o-o;; it's not like you can equip anything in that slot anyways when a tower is equipped...

Because stupidity is in the air~ Take a deep breath!

Didn't even notice that edit until you just mentioned it.

Did someone call? Anyway, the only justification I can think of for that is because the term "Cylinder" subjectively refers to all Cylinders as evident of the Cylinder List page. I dunno, just saiyan...nib

Cylinder page is incorrectly categorized, anyway.

According to the Tower Cylinders page, they're one-handed weapons. That means you can equip something on the left-hand slot with it, no?

You sound like you've never played Mabinogi before.

On the other hand, Puppet Handles are one handed weapons but cannot be given shields.

DevCAT has really odd classifications of weapons. I guess its expected since they screwed up with instruments.

No, it's just you.

Could you post on my Talk page how DevCat screwed up instruments? I'd like to hear that.