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Chapter 5
Sorry, but I think we're starting to confuse "Generation Updates" and "Generation Quests".
The mainstream quests released in the g2 update were called g2 mainstream, g3 was g3, etc. how is 18=18 such a stretch?
That's just it, there shouldn't have to be a stretch at all. It should either be explicitly stated or not. And in this case it is not so it shouldn't be. I'm usually overly conservative but I just feel this is right, there isn't evidence of the Saga being called G18. For all we know, each episode of the saga could be a separate generation quest chain and the saga could be G18-27, if that makes sense.
This isn't something like the Iria update where they threw in 3 gens worth of updates in one, there is no ambiguity about what number this G is at all. If you don't want info that's not explicitly mentioned by Nexon, why not just stop using the wiki and rely on Nexon's vague Engrish press releases for all our information?
Nexon KR said everything up to zero is still gens, so if we're using the generation labels at all, this needs one too. Even if we hadn't looked up what Devcat calls it, we'd know what it was because 18 makes the most sense. The story update is too big to be a season, individual updates are too short to assume they're all gens. Sure, they could change their minds and decide to call it g18-27, but until they say they did, we have to assume that whatever makes the most sense is correct.
Your last sentence can also be used to counter-argue, I just don't see why there is evidence it is or isn't G18.
How? Which number makes more sense after 17 than 18? pi? e? negative google?
NX KR said this is still a numbered G. Updates of this size with this much new story are, by default, new Gs, and the previous one was 17. Even if we ignore the very specific, straightforward label in the file, there is enough evidence it's g18, and no evidence it's not.
You still haven't really provided any evidence that the STORYLINE (not update) is G18, that's all I want.
This piece of the story is released during G18, and is clearly a mainstream quest chain. That's more than enough until there's an official announcement saying it's not g18.
That doesn't change the fact that it's a large quest chain continuing the mainstream story.
-_-...really? Okay, IIRC, actors in Mabi are animated pieces of paper. Was he a cardboard cutout when he appeared in saga? Before episode 1, was there a cutscene of Ruari in the beauty shop waiting room, being lectured by Manus on the risks involved in an operation to downgrade to 2D?
Damn it. I knew it! It couldn't have been that everyone from Avon, Hamlet and Romeo & Juliet were human!! They were cardboard cutouts all along!
Other way around, you're supposed to prove it is before prove it isn't. And as much as I'd like to rest believing it is officially G18 we need evidence first, regardless of subject.
I have read your post, I see no evidence. If you really feel the need to reiterate it, paraphrase it and reply to this, then.
Large sections of mainstream story are broken up into Generations, which are numbered, usually based on the order they come out. This is a large section of the mainstream story. The last piece was 17, which implies that this one is 1 + 17. Since nothing was explicated, we have to go with what's implied.
Not really. The the amount of questing in all 10 episodes implies generation, not season.
You could say it's almost as good a reason to call it G17s5-s15; but they start at 1, implying it's the equivalent of season 1; 15 is a lot more seasons than you'd expect; and so far, generation quests have been released during their respective generations(the g2 story wasn't released in g3).
VERY good point Legiathan.
I still so no evidence Sozen. . . You're just making assumptions based on previous patches.
I'm using previous patches to point out a pattern that should be obvious. My only assumption is that nothing has changed, because I have yet to see evidence that that it did.
As I said, evidence it is G18 before evidence it isn't is necessary. Your entire argument is based on wishful continuity.
... continuity is the default case. How about you give me some evidence that something has changed before you ask for evidence that nothing happened?
That's just not how it works, just because you can't prove something doesn't give you leeway to turn the table upside down. Innocent until proven guilty, evidence before faulty evidence. You need to prove it is G18 first, and I really do hope you can because I don't like holes like this but as far as I am concerned that's just it, Just The Saga: Iria, no Generation 18 tacked on.
As I said, the burden of proof isn't on me because you have not proved this is Generation 18 and there is nothing suggesting so besides speculation based on past updates.
Like i said, I'm not the one with something to prove because I'm not the one arguing that something happened/changed. Chunks of divided into Generations, That's how this system works by default. Until they say they've changed that system, we don't need proof that they didn't.
And as I said, nothing "changed". It's not of the same thing, and you need evidence that it is. Otherwise I think it is reliable to call the Puppeteer sidequest Generation 17.
The puppeteer thing was kinda short, had very few cutscenes/RPs, and I didn't notice any references to other stories, so i never bothered to argue for this, but it is a quest chain(several that can't be done out of order because finishing 1 is how you get the next) with a significant amount of story, so it would fit better with mainstream stuff as g17s2 than with solitary quests like Duncan's Call.
by that logic, the mabinogi classic update should have been a new generation too... or 3 new generations, in which case, we would have had it go from g16 to g17, g18, and g19 being the new g1,2, and 3.. and lets not talk about the alchemist questline revamps