Event List

Can we like, have a bulletin list of events currently active, instead of having to read the news or check the category?

Seconded.

Have it formatted like that notice that comes up when the wiki is undergoing maintenance?

Or Shadow Mission table perhaps?

I'd prefer a plain list with bullets, a table would be okay but not necessary, and I don't want it to be at the top of every page, just in the same row as SMs and server status on the main page, personally.

User:Pyrus/Wiki_Home
Yes? No? Discuss.

The server status gets really squished, not to mention, not everyone has widescreens (yet). And, I don't know how you did it, but the general news spans longer than the server updates?

Also, what about when there are no events? Or more events to the point where the table is obnoxiously long? Or repeated events to the point where it spans more than a line of text (multiple hot times)?

A table just doesn't seem right for this kinda thing, unless you can get it to look fitting.

As I said, I'd prefer a bullet list, was just entertaining the idea. And when do we NOT have events anymore? There's always something going on at all times, no matter how boring the events are.

That doesn't rule out the possibility of no ongoing events.

Then just say there isn't.

I was thinking we'd just leave out the current events section when there are no events.

I think it belongs between daily missions and server status, but I hate the table idea more than you. I'd have 2 lines for each event; one line for name & link, one for start & end(or dates & time for "hot time"s). Or, since there are usually multiple events with the same start & end times, use the dates as sub-headers grouping the events.

I'm not sure listing start time is necessary for current events on the main page, unless we put upcoming events in the same box.

You should figure out how to make each event only take up one line so there isn't so much wasted whitespace, in my opinion (remove years, maybe remove "Event" from event names, possibly exclude start date since end date is more important in the present time). Also the addition of the table doesn't make the server status itself squished, just the whitespace around it. Regarding widescreen, the min width with the current events table seems to only add about 100px to it. Just some thoughts.

Instead of trying to fit this into the current table by making it span 3x as many columns, It might be beter to just use a nested table spanning both columns of the current one(so the size of whatever is in the top row doesn't mess with column width below), and definitely drop the year, so far, we've never had a 2+ year event.

Using a table for the current event list itself wastes too much space on padding, plain text would be a lot better.

"nested table spanning both columns of the current one"
Can you continue to elaborate on this because I don't understand what you mean.

I don't see why you'd need a nested table.. If you're going to make a row that spans both columns... colspan you'd colspan that new row for the table anyway...

Instead of increasing colspan to a total of 6, leave it as a 2 column table, but merge the daily/status cells, and in the new cell, add a 1 or 2 row, 3 column table for the daily/event/server stuff:

... |- |colspan="2"{| | Daily label | Event label | Status label |- | Daily Missions table | Current Events (preferably as plain text) | Server Status table |} ...

The way you have it now gets the job done, but it would take more work to make sure it doesn't mess with the width of the cells under it like it does in your current example, and we might have to manually resize every cell on the page again if we ever change the width of anything in that one row. The width of the events section might change if we change our minds about the necessity of listing year or start time, or if there's ever a really long event name.

Switching to the nested table idea would more effectively separate the width cells in this row from those in the next, so it would be easier to avoid what's happening in that next row right now.(I don't know how it looks for you, but Firefox is showing me a page where "General Mabinogi News" is 2x as wide as "Mabinogi Server Updates" for your example, which doesn't seem to be intentional since the source still says 50% width for both).

Edit

I was over-thinking this.

Since there's nothing above or below that needs to match the width of any of these cells, you can just break up the existing table; put daily/current/status in a 3 column table, then news/updates in a 2 column table, and just put Frontpage1 and newmenu at the top and bottom without tables.

Edited, how about now?

Looks pretty good to me.

(do note, that's the guy who did this)

(do note, the guy who made this topic agrees with it)

(too bad that doesn't work because I never said I liked his design [and sorry, pyrus, I don't, it creates whitespace issues with widescreens])

I agree, any ideas? =\

Would you mind clarifying what specifically you mean by "issues"? Is it just too much white, or is it the arrangement or something else?

I would like to know these issues too. Also there is some weird vertical whitespace difference in between the bullets.

Edit: Oh, typo, it works now.

This just does not look right.

Any suggestions?

That's my cue to enter...I suggest we some how code scrolling text with the events names at the top of the home page.

ahh nevermind I forgot that's really difficult to do...we could make a centered list that isn't bulleted. Bullets looks weird. Center the text too.

Not really. This is something I've tried to brainstorm up myself quite a few times before.

Oh...well then, we should totally do it :D because that's how I get my notifications on events in the game. By side scrolling text.

Scrolling text is never catchable, no matter how slow.

Don't they make them stop on mouse overs?

If you can manage that then I would consider it.

I recall Saiyr saying marquees are a no-no.

Welp I see my idea burning in flames now...the only thing I can think of now is separate the notices and make a separate window for event notices. like when it begins and ends.

*pat pat* That's why I prefer not to butt in.

How about having it on transcluded on the sidebar? That may be prone to vandalism but so is the front page.

everything is prone to vandalism Pyro...everything....

But what would that look like in the side bar?

Well I can't exactly make an example of that.

Speaking of which, I've been busy/lazy with the ranged weapons reform. . . Feel free to do the work for me help me.

We are keeping the Ranged Weapons category, right...?

Replacing it with Archery weapons if keeping at all, I'd assume.

For things like "Hot Time", it's not necessary to repeat the month. For "Hot Time" and 2x exp/ap events that only run a few hours a day, I think we should mention the times on the front page too. For example, if there was a "Hot Time" scheduled for 7pm every other day for 10 days starting August 28th, this is how I would suggest we list it in the Current Events box: "August 28th, 30th; September 1st, 3rd, 5th at 7pm".

It might look better if you make the Current Events box narrower; the whitespace would be distributed to the sides of the page a bit, instead of it all being in one big chunk in the center.

I still think we should consider grouping events that have the same end date.

I agree with all of your points but, aside from maybe 2 events per month, almost every event has the same end date (and that includes limited gachapons and pets).

My point exactly; Most of the time, over half of the dates are redundant.

Lets say we do group similar events under one bullet, what then? We make the table taller instead of wider which is the opposite of Kevin's bit?

Okay, then instead of my earlier suggestion of using dates as subheaders, we could just use comma delimited list with the dates at the end.

Though the subheader idea would increase the height less than it would decrease width, and if you decrease the width of the box enough, you could move the daily missions/server status tables closer to the center so the page looks almost the same as it does now.

While we're at it, lets revert or get a new front page logo, DFO doesn't even exist anymore. (Not that it was relevant even when DFO was still in English.)

How aboot this? (the "limited-time items" is just a suggestion, doesn't have to be there, also, ignore scooter. forgot that ended already.)

We wouldn't really have to list the dates, you can just click the article link to find out, since they're listed at the top.

You wouldn't have to worry about the list getting too long or too short, which would offset the layout of the main page if it were in other places. It would rarely get long enough that you wouldn't be able to see the first news bulletin.

And. No awkward looking random whitespace in the middle of nowhereland.

Excellent, this is the best idea I've seen so far. (And ya, after writing the last post, I started wondering if limited edition pets and gachapons should be included in limited events too.)

Wouldn't the scroll box for updates (and along with patch updates) have to be lengthen a bit to see the current announcements in there? I feel like doing that would make the announcement kinda...hidden.

Well, very rarely do we have this many current ongoing events (like now).

As a preview, this is what it would look like, given the current event state (just copy/pasted preview over current). You will still be able to see at least the first bulletin (unless Nexon decides to troll us and puts up 15 limited items/events at once).

If necessary though, it is possible to expand the height of the boxes a bit.

I'd still bump it a bit.

Since the textbox has a pretty wide minimum width (so that all resolutions see at least that wide), we could make the list into two-columns to distribute the space.

Can you make an example?

I like this method. How about we give it a go?

Adding limited time items is important, I can't believe I forgot to suggest it myself.

I'm against leaving out dates completely. I don't know about you, but when I look up current events, it's usually to check how much time is left. The end date should at the very least be mentioned in a tooltip, though think it should be left in the regular text if you're moving it to General News, that box is more than wide enough to list it.

Ditto, the reason I suggested this at all, actually, was to see their dates without going to individual pages.

What do you mean by regular text? A straight up, plain-text list with no bullets? Oh. You were also talking about leaving the dates right beside the event name, I think. Thought you were talking about the entire event/item list.

As for dates, listing them beside the event name would be no issue.

Visible text(no click or hover needed).

Bumping up this thread. Angevon told me that Kadalyn wasn't currently progressing, and recommended I bring it up again.

User:Kapra/Wiki Home - I updated this further.

• I made it fully compatible with smaller resolutions, at least as much as the front page currently is.
• The Server Status now has a scrollbar similar to the Server Updates and Mabinogi News. This makes it so hitting Show will not stretch the page.
• I made the Daily Shadow Mission template slightly skinnier, though most of it probably isn't necessary anymore due to the first bullet.
• Currently, the Current Events section lists events and temporary cash items in bullets, and hovering over them lists the starting and ending dates. I'm not sure if we want to use or not use tooltips, but at the moment that's what I put, because it'll make it less messier. (Plus a few parts of the front page already use tooltips, such as maintenance times and the Daily Shadow Missions.)

There were a few pictures Kevin uploaded that I tried to view when reviewing previous discussion in the thread, but those images are no longer up so I'm not sure what a few of the previous replies are referring to.

Bump? We really need a list of some form asap, even if its a temporary format. Something should be added.