Because I don't want to "suddenly" change the table...

(Ripped from my sandbox)

Shield Mastery Chart

Shield Mastery Chart Source

Rank	N	F	E	D	C	B	A	9	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1
Required AP	-	1						2						3		5
Required AP (Total)	-	1	2	3	4	5	6	8	10	12	14	16	18	21	24	29
Large Shield Defense Bonus	-	5	7	9	11	13	15	20	21	22	24	25	26		29	30
Large Shield Protection Bonus	-	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15
Large Shield Magic Defense Bonus	-							1	2	3	5	7	9	11	13	15
Large Shield Magic Protection Bonus	-							1		2		3		4		5
Medium Shield Defense Bonus	-	5	6		7	9	10	14		15	16		17	18	19	21
Medium Shield Protection Bonus	-	1		2		3	4		5	6	7		8	10
Medium Shield Magic Defense Bonus	-							1	2	3	4	5	7	8	10	11
Medium Shield Magic Protection Bonus	-							1				2			3
Small Shield Defense Bonus	-	2	3	4	5	6	7	10		11		12		13	14	15
Small Shield Protection Bonus	-		1		2		3		4		5		6		7
Small Shield Magic Defense Bonus	-							1	2	3	4	5	7	8	10	11
Small Shield Magic Protection Bonus	-									1				2
Additional Auto-Defense (%)	2	3						5				6		7		8
Skill CP (Total)	-	10	15	20	30	35	40	50	60	65	70	75	80	85	90	100

That looks much, much better. Please replace it.

Done.

Colors are still an eye sore...also I think the shield list is either weird or off. The shield types I found in the JP wiki are listed as follow under the chart on this page.

Eh I don't care.

Should we leave the Shield Types here or on the Shields List page? Or Both?

As a quick reference, keep it here. I'ma wait until someone digs into the files because (honestly) I find it strange that nothing really competes with the Vales shield and well...Those numbers seem weird.

The numbers for the large shield at r1 definitely match up with what I've got.

Are there really no Giant-Only shields...?

Well all of these recent updates have been subtly buffing giants. Have you noticed that that, now, ignoring the existence of shield and armor masteries, giants have the highest defense and magic defense because of their strength and will, and only a negligible difference in endgame int which doesn't matter because magic protection eventually stops being a useful stat once you're endgame intelligence. Not to mention changes like, being able to use alchemy skills and shield mastery with lances in later updates.

You mean "Are there really no Large shields that are not Giant only?"

Elves/Humans are too tiny to have large shields :P

Pfft, tell that to my Eweca Shield

Does Eweca Shield benefit from mastery? If so, could you add it to the list of shields? I haven't found a way to determine shield type yet.

All shields do. problem is, who even has those things (Other than me of course, but just swing it around due to its size). I'll see what the stats are as I rank the mastery some more.

Should we check for all ineffective shields?

...I guess. I mean I only listed what was on the JP wiki and appearently those were considered Small Shields due to ineffectiveness.

Is there a way to make it like JP's table to where we can have a row span?

What do you mean by a row span?

o-o...like have it occupy 4 rows to say Shield type, then another column of the 4 split rows... kinda like how Colspan occupies X amount of columns for 1 value

use rowspan? o-o.

strange, it was acting weird before but works fine now...I'll fix it.

Better or worse?

I don't think the AP should be split like that, but the shield stats looks good.

I was thinking the same, but then the AP part grew on me.

If we change the AP, won't that give us a lot of work to do?

Only reason I set it like that for this page was because of shields. other pages can stay as is, but I did leave it for everyone else to decided so go ahead and change it back.

Ehh what's the vote on AP being split like that...? Should do the same for human/elf human/giant stats too...

not related but this is just a mess e-e...

Smash Summary Example

Rank			N	F	E	D	C	B	A	9	8	7	6	5	4	3	2	1
AP	Human Giant	Required	-	1	4			5	6	7	8	10	12	20	22	24	26	30
		Total	-	1	5	9	13	18	24	31	39	49	61	81	103	127	153	183
	Elf	Required	-	0	2	4	6	8	10	11				13				20
		Total	-	0	2	6	12	20	30	41	52	63	74	87	100	113	126	146
Additional Str and Will (Total)			-								+1	+2	+3	+4	+5	+6	+7	+8
Stamina Use			4					5		6		7		8		9		10
Damage	Human Elf	Damage (%)	150	200	210	220	230	240	250	300	310	320	330	400	420	440	460	500
		Damage (Two-Handed Weapons) (%)	180	240	252	264	276	288	300	360	372	384	396	480	504	528	554	600
	Giant	Damage (%)	200	300	310	320	330	340	350	400	410	420	430	500	520	540	560	600
		Damage (Two-Handed Weapons) (%)	240	360	372	384	396	408	420	480	492	504	516	600	624	648	672	720
Critical (Two-Handed Weapons) (%)			5
Splash Damage (%)			-											10				20
Load Time [sec]			0
Cooldown Time [sec]			3
Skill CP (Total)			0	5	10	30	50	70	90	110	130	150	170	200	230	260	290	300
Stat CP (Total)			-								1.5	3.0	4.5	6.0	7.5	9.0	10.5	12.0

Ya, I don't think we should do that. . . Plus there will be pages that could have that for the AP and not anything else, which would just add rowspans/colspans for no reason besides just the AP and end up being extra. Personally, I'd rather have consistency than convenience (if this is considered convenient).

I still vote it should be limited to pages with multiple stats...like smash and shield mastery. I think windmill too.

I don't see a point in having the column before the races. For damage, it says Damage right after the races, and for AP, it will easily fit in that giant space.

Well still fiddling with it a little, but not gonna touch it :x