Category talk:Equipment

Just an FYI, I'm changing the organization of armor pages as I go through them so that Drop, Fishing, Store Locations go before the Blackmith/Tailoring Requirements and the Upgrades sections. Since the Upgrades section has gotten huge with the addition of upgrade sequences, I feel they should go last. Also, do we really need to put the Fishing section for items that aren't fish-able? Just removing that section should make it obvious to anyone looking at the page that it isn't obtained from fishing. I'll listen to comments and other opinions, though. ---Angevon 20:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, also --- do we want pictures of gloves/shoes as equipped? Or just stick with the inventory pic version? I think the equipped pic is mostly only useful for armor, clothes, shields, and helmets. ---Angevon 02:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I say if were going to have it for one type, have it for all. --Kevin (‧_Ta^lk‧) 02:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Race Specifics

Having browsed around a lot, I've noticed that the equipment listing (short of things like weapons) is woefully inadequate in race specifics and in some cases, are missing a lot of items to boot. A lot of the individual clothing pages I've seen don't mention race issues at all and the lists for the most parts only mention it in one or two places or for single race-only cases. I wouldn't mind helping out with this (I'll make a list of clothes on my user page or something and cross them off as I go through them or something) but I'd appreciate hearing the views of other members of the wiki so we can come to a general consensus.--Mystickskye 02:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they do need to be designated. Hmm, JP wiki puts the race after the item's name ([HEG] for all, [HE] for Human/Elf, etc.). Not sure if that's the best way to label, though, but it would make it obvious what race can use it. ---Angevon 03:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd considered that though there's also the issue that the JP Wiki lists their items in a different format to the way we do so it doesn't seem to be a simple case of just following their example... I would really like to hear from other wiki members (old and new alike) for their thoughts on this as what your character wears is a major part of this game and things like what giants can wear in particular is oft left in the dark. For individual pages I think we could just follow the game layout and tack it on after the item stats but for a brief overview like in the various tables/lists I'm not too sure how to do it short of a column denoting "HEG" or something but then I don't know if people would want yet another column added to an already cluttered page (fear my run-on sentence).--Mystickskye 07:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm getting at what you mean, but if I am, why don't we separate the equipment pages into different pages? Such as:

Equipment

Human

Elf

Giant

And then having each link to a page with a list of equipment that that race can wear. Just my thoughts, sorry if we're not on the same topic. --Zephyre 08:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not entirely a bad idea but it seems a tad redundant when we could just do it all on one page with enough thinking. Heck, given the size of most of the inventory based images we probably could put in "HEG" or something underneath each item's name in the same table cell. I personally would prefer a single page given how the various equipment pages are split up as they are now.--Mystickskye 08:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, I apologise if I seem overly picky/petulant about this issue. More than anything else I'd really like it if we could get a decent discussion going over this rather than just having the input of one or two people.--Mystickskye 07:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Related: Most equipments are human and elf only. Since we've been naming things "(Giant Only)" for the giant only gears, would it be acceptable to put "(No Restrictions)" on the name of the few items that can be used by any race, such as Terk's Open Finger Glove? ---Angevon 17:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Lists Moved

I changed the catagory of a few equipment lists to a more specific category. ex Moved the Robes List from Category:Equipment to Category:Robes.

Who's working on the "new layout" for equipment?

Specifically, who's changing the placements of information, adding in the new sections (Description and Limitation), and implementing this table for equippable items? :

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I'm just curious as to who's going after it, because it's a lot of manual work and seems pretty tedious without a template. Can anyone think of an easier way to do it while retaining the neatness? And maybe aesthetically improve it, if possible. --Powder Rune 04:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh? It's really easy copypasta work for me. ZRoc started it and I've went with it as I made all those glove pages. But, I've fixed the coding a bit since it was clunky with things it didn't need. ---Angevon 04:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe I just work slower >: I briefly tried it out and seemed to spend a lot of my time looking for multiple references to make sure I listed out everything that applies to the item. I probably find it intimidating since I couldn't find a format to go by. --Powder Rune 04:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I just use JP wiki. It's usually safe. I've been storing the unimplemented stuff and infos on a separate user page. And, if you miss something, you can fix it up later (I sometimes forget the repairs section, or leave the wrong item's picture due to mad copypasta. I feel bad for clogging recent changes, but I'm just not perfect. ---Angevon 21:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Item Grades

Do we use "Item Grades" for the sections title or "Clothing Grades", "Hat Grades", "Shoe Grades", etc? Also, is it "Base" or "Original" that's to be used in the "Type" column of that section's table? --ZRoc 10:09, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been wondering this too. I've seen "Clothing Grades" on clothing, "Armor Grades" on armor, and a mix of "Item Grades" and "Equipment Grades" on everything else. As for Base vs. Original, I think we should stick with "Original," because it accounts for all items that can also be tailored to have more durability. --Powder Rune 01:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Order of Sections

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the order is supposed to be:

Description
Limitations
Clothing/Armor/Equipment Grades
Repair Costs
Store Locations
Drop Locations
Fishing Locations
Tailoring Requirements
Upgrades

? I've been going through the lists to change it into the new format and I'm hoping that I'm doing it correctly. --Powder Rune 00:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgot about the "Obtained from" section. Are we using it for things like Cash Shop and Gachapon? I've seen people put Cash Shop/Gachapon items under "Drop Locations," but I suppose that wouldn't be correct usage... --Powder Rune 01:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I started using "Obtained from" for event-only items. That's the right order. ---Angevon 02:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Alrighty. I guess we could also use the section for Gachapon/Cash Shop, since they aren't necessarily drops. --Powder Rune 02:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Drop Locations

Under Drop Locations, I've seen both "What" and "Who" as the first column. Which should we use?

Also, should end chest rewards and treasures from Connous/Solea Underground go under Drops or Obtained From? It wouldn't make any sense under Drops if we used "Who." --Powder Rune 03:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It's supposed to be "What" and "Where" for drops. "Who" is for stores. Probably some bad copypasta in action. ---Angevon 03:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

What about chest rewards? --Powder Rune 04:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Equipment Make and Material

It has come to me that many enchants in the game require said item to be "iron-made" or "wooden made" materials for it to work. I know most are plainly obvious but I was wondering if we should add "Iron-made" or "Wooden-made" category tags for equipment? This will be easier to read and useful when using future alchemy skills to predict what material one may receive back~! --Miyuna 03:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Dye Types

I don't know about you guys, but I think it would be useful to include a dye chart for all the items. What I'm getting at is like it lists a part of all the dyable parts and which dye you would use and also list if fixed dyes can be used. For example, Plate Mail can be dyed with Metallic Dye and can dye the top, bottom, and middle proportion (but it cannot be dyed with Fixed dyes). What does everyone think of my idea? I think it would be useful so that people wouldn't have to go bye some dye and then get upset it won't work (I bought a dye once and found out it didn't work with the leggings of brigandines) --Marthian 20:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I've been starting to add this to some gloves, so if you want to do it for armor too, you can follow the format on Adolph Glove. Unfortunately I don't know how to tell which type of dye will work for which part, though. --- Angevon (Talk) 21:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Is the (Original) at the end of the equipment's stats always supposed to be there? If it is always supposed to be there, I am worried I have a Bell Fox Outfit (M) that does not have it, and with the recent events, I do not know if it is safe...

It is.

So... If it does not have it, should I get rid of it?...

I don't remember all the details, but the (Original) tag gets removed when an item is:

1. Upgraded
2. Enchanted
3. Probably reforged

I don't remember what else.

But the original tag does not indicate whether an item is safe or not.

Besides, the recent events mostly regard stackable items, as those are the dupable ones. Equipment and other items that cannot be stacked are generally safe.

4. Dyed. Edit: And scrap reforged, that doesn't remove it!

Are there any dyable shields in the game? I cant think of any off the top of my head.