Talk:Proficiency

what about wands? dow do they get proficiency and how much? Sozen Cratos Focker 11:49, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

Wands will gain proficiency from casting spells. Each cast will net you the amount under melee in the proficiency table. So if you are 25 years old, charged up heal, and you cast heal on someone, each charge of heal will give you 3.6% proficiency, a total of 18% from one charge up. I haven't tried attacking anything with a wand since people in the forums say it would break like a twig but I would assume it will gain proficiency like a regular melee weapon. -Dias 21:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

2 Handing Proficiency

How does this work? From what I can tell, each weapon doesn't gain full proficiency but a partial amount of what one weapon would get, yet it does not split it up evenly between the two weapons. Anyone have the info?

Saying "the right hand slot" is confusing. I think the author means "the slot on the right in the equip window," but this is actually the left hand. I suggest clarifying "the right" where, or simply changing to "the left hand." --Inemnitable 09:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Gathering

Unless i'm misunderstanding what this is referring to, the list is wrong. i've been ages 10 to 15 and neither my gathering knife, sickle, weeding hoe nor my pick ax have ever gained more than .6%. if this is what its referring to then let me know and i'll fix it up to age 15 and put ? in to the other ages as a place holder.

I see this error as well too. Along with what you found out, when my character was 20 years old to over 25, I will gain .9% proficiency with gathering items. -Dias 21:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed it. I wasn't sure what to put in for ages 16-19 so I left a ?, hopefully someone will test and fill in soon--Jacobpaige 04:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, I find the fastest way to build proficiency on gathering tools is to fight using them as weapons. -_-; Naiya 19:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Query on this, do you gain the proficiency after the skill has been completed, or when it has started? That way you could use cancel repeatedly.

As of the Iria update, it's much faster to use gathering tools for gathering than as weapons. And it's not gained until after the gathering is done. --Doomsday 01:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Variable Gains

I was testing proficiency gains for Thursday with a 23 yr old character and my armor has gained .6, 1.2 (possible that i screwed up with this one) and 4.4 prof (this is accurate, its happened to me twice and to a age 24 friend once that he noticed), the 4.4 seems to be from just sitting around. So does that mean that simply wearing armor provides better gains that getting hit or am i missing something?--Jacobpaige 19:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"damage (time)(%)" clolumn?

what exactly do the numbers in this column mean????????????????????????????????????????????????????Sozen Cratos Focker 10:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I suspect it is for armors as you can prof clothing/armor/heavy armor by wearing it. As it takes a certain amount of durability damage, it also gains prof. --Sinnoaria 15:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

There's two ways to get proficiency for armors, either by waiting on time or by recieving damage from an enemy. The chart shows one damage, and the one in parenthesis to be time. Just shows both percentages. -Mix 18:17, 2 January 2009

In game time or real time?

Every 5 minutes (realtime) all equipped items lose a very small amount of durability. So, yeah, it just receives proficiency from durability loss, whether it's from the 5min tick or actual damage. Kong 05:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Wands gain proficiency by magic?

I believe they do, to prevent confusion, I'm putting that wands gain proficiency by magic on the tips part.

I should point out that per attack a wand will gain the same proficiency from using magic as it does from being used as a melee. This has been tested to some degree (I only bothered to use Icebolt, or was it lightning bolt?)Novaix 00:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

They gain prof from magic and melee...--Kevin _(»Talk«) 01:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Production Tools

Is the proficiency gained in using a production tool for production the same as the gathering proficiency, e.g., when using a Blacksmith Hammer for blacksmithing? If so, then does this apply when using a Gathering Knife or Sickle to make leather straps on a spinning wheel (note that a sword can be used as well)? --ZRoc (Talk) 01:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Note: At least for the Handicraft Kit my 13 year old character gained only 0.7% proficiency per attempt (successes and failures) at making a Paper Crane. --ZRoc (Talk) 02:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Gathering Item Proficiency

If you fail at gathering, do you still get proficiency for the item? Ex. Fail at shearing a sheep, does the gathering knife still get proficiency? Antisinz (Talk) 20:21, 16 January 2010

Yes. I was actually proffing a gathering axe earlier by hitting the same tree over and over, despite the "no more wood" message. (And got the Butterfinger title at the same time, so I presume "no more material" = fail, as well) --Duet 03:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Cylinders

Since we're onto G11, and cylinders were implemented in G9, wouldn't it be a good time to add them here, along with some proficiency training tips?Th3Evil5Ponge 05:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Cylinders are already on here. Feel free to add tips tho. --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 06:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Shield Proficiency Tips

The statement "As of the AI update this is no longer possible as other monsters can attack back before defense can load." is untrue, so I'm removing it. If anyone finds a monster that is true about, feel free to update it to say "Certain Monsters" or something. --Ryunohige 07:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Currently the main page says shields (and armors) gain proficiency simply from being hit, even by weakest enemies... it seems not to be the case. My observation is that shields only gain proficiency when against weakest enemies by using Defense.

Control Bars do not gain proficiency through puppet attacks. Can someone add that in? I have a fairly bad history with editing wiki articles where my edits are immediately deleted, so I figured someone else could do it.

I just tested it right now and what you're saying isn't true.

It must have been a glitch at the time. I didn't check recently, it was like a week ago that I found it out.

Did you make sure you were attacking an enemy with sufficient CP?

At the time I checked against every CP level of enemy, from Weak to Boss level, and none of them gave CP for puppet attacks/skills. It seems to be fixed now though.

I believe I figured out the problem. When using -CP equipment, enemies that appear normal difficulty or higher but are actually weak or weakest with normal CP will not count for proficiency purposes (but will count for skill training purposes). I think this happens because while you are controlling a marrionette, you are actually controlling a separate entity that copies your normal character's CP, but doesn't take enchants into account. It's similar to how when you use Summon Golem, where the golem itself has a different CP, except the puppets are bugged for proficiency.

When you use Hydra transmutation, I find both your cylinder and your guard cylinder gain 15.0% proficiency, this seems like a rather decent way to earn prof on both of them, anyone mind confirming this and adding it to the page?

Just to be sure GC uses both normal cylinder and shield profing methods?

Bump.

Also, what happens to prof gains when "cylinder dual wielding"?

Shield proffing for Guard Cylinders is the same as any other shield. I'm not sure about dual cylinder or alchemy use with just a guard cylinder. I would assume alchemy use with a guard cylinder be the same as if a regular cylinder is equipped.

It doesn't get for meleeing, does it?

Not that I notice.

I am not completely sure what, but something about proficiency has changed. I think it MIGHT be coinciding with active talent (giving more prof) but I cant be sure. All I know is before g17 a lumber axe got [1.8] per chop, and now (I am carpenter talent, hence previous statement) I am getting [4.5].

It will require more testing, but there is something different.

I also aged in that time (18-19), but i don't think it would go up that much from one age

Maybe they just updated it? Have you tried on another character? It did take forever to get prof on it after all. . .

KEEP IN MIND: You have VIP service, which increases proficiency gain!!!

No I haven't tried anywhere else, and yeah kevin I realized that after. but it isn't that large of an increase i don't think.

You'd be surprised; most, if not all, of the proficiency gains with premium service are many times greater than without. In the article, the values in brackets [] are that of premium service.

Ah, wow. you are right. that is probably the case then.

When I used flame burst, each hit does not increase proficiency, only the last hit gave me proficiency. Did this change happen with G16 or something? My flame burst rank is rank 4 and hits 4 times. I used flame burst on the zombie soldiers in Their Method mission and they are Strong to me.

Looks like everything got multiplied by five on the normal table.

Keep this in mind as we gather data for confirmation.

It's important to note that service actually boosts your prof gain (at least, I'm fairly sure it's service). People without service still gain more prof than they did prior to G13 but not the enormous amounts that people with service get.

I highly doubt it's service. Btw. Today's Thursday.

Friend who has no service profs slower than me. He is an older character as well and i am age 10. Also my prof has increased by 20 fold.

Based on checking across characters of different ages, races, accounts and players, I'm fairly sure it's service. And yes, I know it's Thursday. Thursday however doesn't take you from 6% prof (what my normal account without service gets on normal days) to 20.6% prof (what my proffing account on beginner service gets on Thursday) per melee prof instance. I don't know about you but I like to try and look into things before making claims. A quick look at the page as it is right now also shows fairly huge inconsistencies between players. Things like 6->15->7.2 and 7.2->21.6 are fairly telling.

I feel like if the Damage(Time)(%) and Gather(%) columns were split, their purposes could be conveyed more concisely and clearly.

Something like Damage(Time)(%) and Damage(Hit)(%), and likewise Gather(Effective) and Gather(Ineffective).

What do you think?

I agree ~小太郎 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 2011:03:07:08:39 (Monday)

...Some of them show up as less than non-Thursday. Someone should check the numbers.

It says that when wearing other items (shoes robes etc.) You can not get proficiency on your armor. Is this true?

Basically, when you get hit by a monster, a random equipment is selected to lose durability from the attack, and your armor only gains prof if it's the one selected, so wearing more equipment reduces the chance that the armor takes the hit. Hope that wasn't confusing... xD