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owut ;-;?.. *so empty* Well, I missed out yesterday, because I was lazy and wandering around on Newgrounds (I like typing long reviews), I didn't get a chance to drop by and make the first comment on your page.... of the year. C: *happy* So....
Happy New Year's!(I like pretty rainbow things.) Oh oops... And Happy 2010! (Doing the rainbow in reverse was odd o.o.. Too lazy to make a belated X-Mas one, I'm sorry D:)--Яειм 's Talk 16:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

YA KNOW... I was going to go around wishing everyone a merry xmas and happy new years, but you beat me to it D:!--Яειм 's Talk 23:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I love you, ZRoc. You actually listened to me and made a future skills page. I love you for that. <3 Mackinz 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Yea, ZRoc listens to other so much he doesn't listen to himself. (jkjk D:... That's what I do LOL). So, I've been gone for a while. Hello, agains, and. I see your userpage has undergone a little makeover since the last time I checked by, about a month ago. I see you kindly borrowed *cough*stole*cough* those little boxy things. *whacks you on the head with a llama* Shame shame. So. aside from that... How've you been? o:--Яειм 's Talk 00:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow thanks. D: *was almost forgotten* Well, I managed to find almost every possible thing to distract myself from the wiki. Procrastination is my forte. And, I bet the wiki was fine :D. *picks up from where I left off on the monster table before a whole sea of monsters from shadow missions become implemented*--Яειм 's Talk 23:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Crafting_Requirements

If you want to add that, sure. Maybe put a br tag under after the Bank Trans. Fee part. Maybe wait until mid-day your time to add it since changing the base template will lag the wiki a ton. --- Angevon (Talk) 21:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Current Skills

Oh, is that what Mackinz meant? He originally had a "Current Skills" page. But our Skill Lists have the skills separated out, so it wasn't necessary. But, the skills categories are a relic from the wiki's first days. They've needed an overhaul since about then too. A future skills category is a good idea since we have it for equipment already anyway. --- Angevon (Talk) 21:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I would put all future skills in a blanket "Future skills" category. Otherwise we'd have like 4-5 subcategories with only one or two pages each in them. --- Angevon (Talk) 21:54, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd leave the alchemy skills where they are. When G9 comes, we can move the unimplemented alchemy skills into the future skills category. --- Angevon (Talk) 14:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Category:Melee combat skills

That's all I have to say. --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 04:57, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

You made the category Category:Melee Skills. --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 05:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Eh. Nevermind. You changed them all to Melee Skills. I was just saying.. having two combat categories was pretty useless. --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 05:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Designer Sets

That makes the most sense. At one time I was trying to make a page for the female winter angel suit but then I realized the gloves, shoes, and hat are the same for male and female which seems a bit redundant. --- Angevon (Talk) 14:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks great :) --- Angevon (Talk) 02:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't know what else to call it. We can't use "Equipment Sets" because that's another common term used for combo effects, afaik. --- Angevon (Talk) 14:30, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Old Furnace (public)

Hey Z, I'm not sure if it's a browser compatibility problem, but this page is coming up all wacky for me. Seeing as how you're the coding master (and I most definitely am not), I won't touch this one with my fail wiki skills. I'm getting text aligned in a column directly down the center, extending the page for miles. Are you seeing it as well, or is it just Chrome? -- Jspillers | Talk 20:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, my bad. Chrome displays it fine, it's actually formatting wrong in IE. -- Jspillers | Talk 21:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Future Skills Edits?

Someone tried to edit Blaze back into the Category:Magic page so I moved it back to Category:Future Skills just now. Permission to move Category:Alchemy to there as well? --KajiVenator 04:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the Blaze category edit: I only did that because if it was without the second !, it would still be under Category:Magic. I thought I'd try the second ! and it worked like I hoped it would. --KajiVenator 06:10, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, since I don't want to bother with that, I'll just put the Alchemy page and the Demigod Skills under the catergory "Future Skills" so people can find them there too. But I just had a thought regarding those psuedo skills on the Category:Magic page. Can I create the Category:Psuedo Magic Skills page and move them there, having the page as a subcategory of Category:Magic --KajiVenator 06:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'll do that then. --KajiVenator 06:18, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I use Firefox and I guess it was just something wired that happened with Blaze on my comp. Blaze was still under Magic when I first checked so I edited it and it fixed it on my comp. --KajiVenator 06:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
You forgot your signature on the last edit, Z. --KajiVenator 06:42, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm gonna add all the pages we discussed to my watchlist and see you later. --KajiVenator 06:51, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Used In and Methods to Obtain

  1. For production items, go ahead and change them if you want. For the food items, I think we should keep them the way they are for now. However I am no chef so you may be right in saying they are not useful in the "Used In" section. Maybe we can put the tables somewhere else? I prefer looking at them to looking at the list on, say, Baking, which, although "pretty," is overly long and not so useful in my opinion.
  2. Sounds good to me. Your current Methods to Obain guide is already long, it does not need to be made longer by trying to encompass all types of items. --- Angevon (Talk)

Re: Style Templates

Hmm, I didn't know the table could be ended so easily. There are a ton of pages using those end table templates so it'd take a while to change them all (wait for new wiki server?).

Somewhat related: Have you seen the mana crystallization template Ikkisuki made (see Sulfur_Golem_Crystal). I don't think it's necessary myself... but he already made it.

When the new wiki server is up let's collaborate on doing something about DeadEiry. I'm beginning to hate it too. --- Angevon (Talk) 01:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


Actually, I only added my websites on my userpage recently. Since you aren't the only one who's found them, I figure there's no real reason to hide them anymore heh. I generally don't like to self-advertise, though :< --- Angevon (Talk) 22:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Wanted Pages

A lot of your copy/paste codes are making wanted pages like "Enchant 1" show up on the wanted page list. Just thought I'd let you know. --Link 05:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you fixed it, thanks. Although, I still see a few. Specifically, "NPC's Name", "Prop's Name" and "Prop's Location 1-3" --Link 02:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh, alright. Anyways, according to IJ, the new machine has been ordered so... yeah. :P --Link 04:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
No problem. I was looking through the wanted pages list and wondering why there were links like that so... yeah. Trying to clear up the list. --Link 19:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That last anchor

Was there really a point to it? o-o "Links" is already a section. --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 06:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: "Used In" Section

The only thing I can see right now is that we should be consistent on where the links go. Specifically, the "Blacksmithing" part: Heavy Armors goes to Heavy Armors List while Gloves goes to Category:Gloves. I'm more in favor of going to the category page rather than the list page personally but I'll let you decide.

Good job getting the widths to stay constant. I always had trouble with it so I gave up on the original template. I think it looks good. --- Angevon (Talk) 22:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Template:StyleItemUsedInItemFooter is adding an extra hard space after its use. I don't remember how you fixed it before on other templates, so, well, do it again! Please, that is. --- Angevon (Talk) 14:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Ores and Metals?

Is the same as Category:Metals? --κєνıи тαıĸ«) 06:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Synthesized Items

Since you made it, I was just wondering what types of items actually go into this category. I asked on the page's talkpage but I don't think anyone will find it soon. :< --Δκυmσ - ταłκ 02:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Problem user

The user MabinogiEU Has vandalized my personal user page and has uploaded several policy breaking pages and images. All of their contributions are just pages made on the wiki for users on the mabinogi europe servers. after i nominated them for deletion he overwrote them ad replaced my reasons with "i'm a noob", he has also done this to my own user page and then blanked it out. I am requesting this user be suspended as i don't believe they will ever be a useful user here. Miyani 14:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Wiki tips

D= I didn't even know there was a Wiki Resources page! It should be linked somewhere easily accessed or something, I know I'm always trying to find the disabiguation page and misspelling the darn thing.

Regarding the wiki tips, I dunno if it's actually useful enough, 'cause the info's available in several other places. And I dunno if it dumbs down the whole thing too much and makes it all patronizing. x.x -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 18:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

lol, fine fine, relabeled it as Wiki Tips for New Editors, that way you can't say it's dumbed down. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 00:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
actually, some of the stuff on your userpage would be really useful on the Newbie Editor page too. o.o Though alot of it, frankly, is advanced coding. YOU SHOULD MAKE A PAGE TOO! *tag!* --ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 01:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
lol, would you mind me taking some bits regarding links and redirects and stuff for the newbie page? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 06:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hidden Text

Do you know if there is there a way to make hidden text display as open on default? If so, tell me how please. --- Angevon (Talk) 12:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thank you :) --- Angevon (Talk) 17:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Friend Add

Hi! Can I add you as a friend on Mabinogi? :3 No real reason, but I like making in game friends. Sometimes. --Simpet 15:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I read it. I don't mind. More fun that way. I'm on the Ruairi server. Same name; Simpet. --Simpet 01:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

help me obiwan you're my only hope!

x.x I have no idea why the succubus in my User:Ladywinter/sandbox is shorter than the other bosses. Or, really, why the boss, tables are more variable width than the others. D= I THOUGHT I LOCKED IT DOWN. ::cry:: I'm so close I can SMELL IT. I'm clearly missing something simple...-- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 22:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

if you make your window all wide, the monster tables are slightly different widths and it's annoying the perfectionist in me. D= I've kept the separate parameters so that we don't need to go back and recode all the data. x.x on a different note, I could add in a line of code that we can use on future templates that go like "Skill=" -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 00:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
...actually I'm using safari onna mac. ::wry:: -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 01:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I think you can on a mac, but on bootcamp or parallels. but I have several computers, window and a mac laptop. -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 07:35, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

er, typing in "Green Sarracenia" pops me to the monster page. o.0; so does typing in Black Dire Wolf-- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 08:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

EGADS IT WORKED~! See? you are an obiwan. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 14:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

already done. =) -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 14:13, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

This may or may not belong here, but your Fns template...can it be nested? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 16:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I broke it, I know, D= I don't know HOW tho. I just was just moving cells be do be doooo. ::wry:: -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 22:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

ohhhhh okay, actually that makes more sense now. coding is so funneh. -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 23:57, 24 April 2010 (UTC)'s 1am server time. AM SO TEMPTED TO CHANGE MONSTER TEMPLATE. D= Think I should? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 07:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

monster tables

User:Ladywinter/sandbox3#Monster_Table_Template, since there's barely any new feedback on the templates, I've decided to poke on the tables tonight. What do you think? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 05:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

implemented, check it? elemental sorting is a go, tables have be tweaked, anything else?-- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 06:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
elements fixed and align as well. how is it now? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 07:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
done, but looks a bit squished, ne? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 07:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the need to have different Field Monster v. Dungeon Monster scrolls.

Shadow Mission Monster I'm using the Shadow Mission icon.

Event Monsters I think are already separated out.

Mainstream Monster are either bosses, which have their own section (ie. separated already) or appear in other places.

"Besides the location should have Boss or even Giant Boss in parenthesis next to it." I thought that's what the "Field Boss" icon was for? o.0;

As for the Monster Template: I think start with the one at the top of User:Ladywinter/sandbox, switch to the no-icon version if we get enough noise, and I'll percolate the boss and multiple locations ones as I have time. GAH, should I change it? I wants to so bad. -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 08:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

...D=...point. I do not want to be the cause of wiki crashing. Though it would be funny for about a second or two. x.x -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 08:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
the ban hammer's bosom is not magnanimous. D= in fact, I do not believe that hammers physically have bosoms...-- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 08:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
ZRoc! for shame! imagining fearless leader of server ownerdom with boobs! ^_~-- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 14:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

hey, figured out how to sort monsters by type (ie. group mimics with mimics), like/hate? -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 15:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

well, and now there's an easy way to see the all of the monster without clicking through 50 pages or opening up each template so it'd be a snap to see which ones actually need the fixing. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 15:22, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
~chortles~ ^_^V -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 15:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

And it's live! XD ...~goes off to play mabi before it's downed~ -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 02:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

lol, actually it didn't take that long. ~wry~ I took the alphabetical list of monsters and did a find-replace with the template code, then deleted the section marks and slapped on the header. It took longer to remove all the inactive templates than it did to 'input' the monsters. ~grins~ -- ladywinter ~{talk page}~ 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

shadow monsters- will need to be dead eiry-d, I'd just had the icon up there for reference. agree with making mainstream monsters into a separate page, have at, if you'd like. XD I'm still poking at the monster template. -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 02:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

~fistbump~ you're awesome. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 03:29, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I...honestly have no opinion. hmm. okay I'm going to say No, because it's less work! XD -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 03:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Idea is good. Also I have an idea to make things sortable by Mainstream v. Not, unless you are strongly for the spoiler tag... -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 14:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

'k, makes sense. =) Sounds like a plan. But, fun variable to add in:
    • Chapter 1 2 Mainstream Icon.png = Mainstream

=D I'm gonna integrate it into the main monster template too...'cause there's no way these monsters should be classified the same as, say, brown foxes... --ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 14:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

done! XD Field boss scrolls are intact, as is dungeon scrolls, and yet Glas is pink! -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 15:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
lol feel free to muck with the template code for the monster tables too =D -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 15:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep the blue colour please. The "new" colour matches with the regular tables too much ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 10:25, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I like the Web 2.0 look of the no-border NPCs table and food table look too. I think the monster templates were designed to match those.--Hengsheng120·TALKCONTRIBS 17:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Wiki Home

The Contact section was originally unsigned... I never wrote it ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 20:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I did, but thats because i forgot to transfer it over ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 20:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


Why did you add all those "not implemented"? They make the page look ugly. Also, one time i glitched into Tara, it was actually raining while taillteann was raining. So it is actually implemented ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 12:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Monster Templates

Why are you changing the {{{format|StyleMonster}}} to {{{format}}}? Originally, you could actually see what you changed to to template, now you cannot ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 10:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Monster Template

I think it's the 'Hidden' tags, though I have no clue why that is. I'll have to poke into it. -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 15:41, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Do the pages really get that long? To take off the edit tags?

Also I don't really understand the use of the image code. Because isn't all wiki images supposed to be png? And wouldn't it just be easier to have the name right the first time instead of shuffling stuff around and bending the monster template in favor of people who aren't following Image Policy? D= -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 21:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

your image code doesn't work. any idea why? User:Ladywinter/sandbox =\-- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 02:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

lol have at. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 15:30, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

good stuff! ^_^b -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 02:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

IE and the "inherit" value

Just to tell you, "inherit" works in IE8, even though w3schools thinks otherwise. It didnt work in any previous versions of IE though ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 09:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Combined Food Template

I have combined all the food templates into a "global" template here. Tell me your opinion on it.

Anyways, can you help me convert all the Old Template users to the new one? (Example of it in use) ~kotarou3 TALKCONTRIBS 08:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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