User talk:LexisMikaya/Sandbox

Hi mikaya

uhh...Hi o -o;

So how many projects a day do you do?

whatever sparks my interest o-o;

willi said he wants me to help

As far as personal help with my projects, there isn't much. If you want to help the wiki as a whole, I suggest looking at the stubs or you could always Random Page until you find something you could expand o -o;

Because I do not want the skills to be categorized under the any categories (both current or newly created if any), all ninja skill and related information will stay in this sandbox and their proper pages. It is not to be moved outside of this sandbox until Nexon of North America either confirms or hints a release. Only then will the Ninja Skills be moved outside of this sandbox.

DO NOT, IN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, CATEGORIZE THEM!

This only applies to your pages for them, right? There has been no official rule preventing us form making any future skill pages?

“	DO NOT, IN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, CATEGORIZE THEM!	„

Um...I think it should be obvious what circumstance that'd fall under...

I was not inquiring about moving these pages or categorizing them. I was asking if it was decided by the higher ups that foreign content shold be limited to the foreign content page, or whether or not future skill pages are allowed.

Then let me quote something else for you.

“	It is not to be moved outside of this sandbox until Nexon of North America either confirms or hints a release. Only then will the Ninja Skills be moved outside of this sandbox.	„

This was more of a personal decision for myself as:

• It's region exclusive content. I want to avoid lumping it with anything.
• Seeing it "rot" in the future content section was not a good idea, as seen with several FMA items.
• Saves people from getting lost in the JP wiki due to lack of Japanese (And Google Translate doesn't do any better either).

I planned on making pages for these skills a few weeks later to give Nexon JP time to rebalance them if necessary. I won't be restricted form doing this, right?

“	all ninja skill and related information will stay in this sandbox and their proper pages	„

Meaning as long as those skills aren't listed under any category, then it'd be fine. However, since mikaya has already made the pages, it'd be redundant for you to make another set of them.

She said listed under current categories, not any categories.

Unless a page for them already exists or there is a rule made preventing me from making pages for future content, I will make them. I don't care if it's present in someone's userpage. I won't touch their page without their permission and I won't just copy/paste what they have but the information should still be eventually moved to an official page regardless of announcement.

I mean to say both current and any newly created categories. I should've corrected myself ages ago :/

But dude, what the hell is the point of making a page for content X. When it's already present on another page? That's useless and pointless.

Not just that, if there are people who actually deserv to make Ninja skill pages, it's Mikaya and or Tsukuyomai. They dug up all that info and posted it somewhere accessible but non-official.

I wouldn't go as far as saying a person is "more deserving" to make the page(s) than another, but other than that, I agree with what nise said. Mika and Tsukuyomai already have the information on their respective pages, so for you to make the pages from scratch is completely redundant.

“	but the information should still be eventually moved to an official page regardless of announcement.	„

Why do you think sandboxes exist? >_>

@Yinato

“	It is not to be moved outside of this sandbox until Nexon of North America either confirms or hints a release.	„

^This is what I disagree with, but I have no jurisdiction on her user sub pages nor do I think I should. I respect that, but that doesn't answer my question.

@Nise Panda
All I am saying is, if she doesn't move it to a non-user subpage before then, I will make my own page regardless of Nexon's announcing it or not, so long as I am within the boundaries of the rules.

And what's this about "deserving" to make a page? Like its some sort of honor? Information is information, it doesn't matter who gets credit for it. And she's not the only one who is digging up information, if that's where you're getting this concept of "deserving" from.

@Lexis
Again, this only applies to your versions of the skill pages, right? There has been no rule banning other people from recreating the skill pages from scratch on a non-sub userpage?

Nothing is being enforced. I'm not sure where you got the impression that there's some rule or anything regarding that. I've already stated my opinion on content from other regions and I'll say it again (as clear as possible):

As. An. NA. Wiki. We. Should. Focus. More. On. NA. Content. Foreign. Content. Is. Okay. So. Long. It. Gets. Changed. Later. To. Match. NA. Patch. Notes. Period.

Region. Exclusive. Content. Should. Not. Belong. On. The. Main. Pages. Nor. Should. They. Exist. As. Main. Pages. Period.

lol...I wonder how long it'd take to find all the instances where we've stressed that point out?

It just seems like you're only making foreign/future/unreleased content pages for the sake of making them. You have an odd obsession with them, especially when this is an NA wiki. If you love foreign content so much, go play on other servers or edit their wikis. or go on forum boards and be the first one to make threads about said content.

But I repeat, there's no god damned point in making a page that will not serve any use what so ever until the content is officially out and or announced, when it already exists on accessible pages.

Making a page for a skill that may die(e.i. Berserker) and be never used, seems pointless.

Your list is currently very confusing to read. When you say "X but not Y", are you saying X is snarable but Y is not, or X is unsnarable but Y is not?

It'd be clearer if one appeared in the snarable list, and one appeared in the unsnarable list.

Gonna use golems as an example. All of the golems can't be snared. I only found 2 golems that can be and they are the exception to the rule. Only reason I have a notable list of snarable monster is because it is seriously out of the ordinary and doesn't look like it will be effective, such as...Glas for example who is clearly 2x larger than the average golem.

Merely I'm saying Group X can not be snared, but there are exceptions to the rule. I don't know if you are making heads or tails out of what I am saying.

If you want other people to be able to add to this list, you'll want to be explicit on what is "known snarable" and what is "known unsnarable". Using Golems, as an example, I highly doubt you've tested every Golem that will ever exist. The way it currently is, there's no way of knowing which Golems you've actually checked.

Of course, if you don't want to share this list, that's a whole other story, but I doubt that's the case.

Now that I think about it, the best course of action would probably be to have a "snarable" flag in the monster template with "yes", "no", or blank to indicate that specific monster.

If you're saying mention every possible unsnarable golem, then I'd have quite a hefty list. I kinda want my list to be simplistic, only stating the specific monsters/groups that can not be snared. There will be some exceptions and it should be noted.

It's a much less hefty task if you have the help of every puppeteering wiki editor :)

Also, an automatic list could easily be made that uses the monster's snare value.

You should add Ghasts to the snarable list

Even though the list is gravely incomplete, mind if I take it and create Puppet's Snare/Unsnareable Monsters List?

Go ahead. It'll give more people to update it o-o Might as well cut it from here.

figuring out the equation.

Warning: Large Table

Prot.	Phys. Red. (%)	Mag. Red. (%)
0	0	1
1	2	3
2	4	5
3	5	6
4	7	8
5	9	10
6	10	11
7	12	13
8	13	14
9	15	15
10	16	17
11	17	18
12	18	19
13	20	20
14	21	21
15	22	22
16	23	23
17	24	24
18	25	25
19	26	26
20	27	27
21	27	28
22	28	29
23	29	30
24	30	30
25	31	31
26	32	32
27	32	33
28	33	33
29	34	34
30	34	35
31	35	36
32	36	36
33	36	37
34	37	37
35	38	38
36	38	39
37	39	39
38	40	40
39	40	40
40	41	41
41	41	42
42	42	42
43	42	43
44	43	43
45	43	44
46	44	44
47	44	45
48	45	45
49	45	46
50	46	46
51	46	47
52	47	47
53	47	48
54	48	48
55	48	48
56	49	49
57	49	49
58	49	50
59	50	50
60	50	51
61	51	51
62	51	51
63	51	52
64	52	52
65	52	53
66	53	53
67	53	53
68	53	54
69	54	54
70	54	54
71	55	55
72	55	55
73	55	55
74	56	56
75	56	56
76	56	56
77	57	57
78	57	57
79	57	57
80	58	58
81	58	58
82	58	58
83	59	59
84	59	59
85	59	59
86	59	60
87	60	60
88	60	60
89	60	61
90	61	61
91	61	61
92	61	61
93	62	62
94	62	62
95	62	62
96	62	63
97	63	63
98	63	63
99	63	63
100	63	64
101	64	64
102	64	64
103	64	64
104	65	65
105	65	65
106	65	65
107	65	65
108	66	66
109	66	66
110	66	66
111	66	66
112	67	67
113	67	67
114	67	67
115	67	67
116	67	68
117	68	68
118	68	68
119	68	68
120	68	69
121	69	69
122	69	69
123	69	69
124	69	69
125	70	70
126	70	70
127	70	70
128	70	70
129	70	71
130	71	71
131	71	71
132	71	71
133	71	71
134	71	72
135	72	72
136	72	72
137	72	72
138	72	72
139	72	73
140	73	73
141	73	73
142	73	73
143	73	73
144	73	74
145	74	74
146	74	74
147	74	74
148	74	74
149	74	74
150	75	75
151	75	75
152	75	75
153	75	75
154	75	75
155	75	76
156	76	76
157	76	76
158	76	76
159	76	76
160	76	76
161	77	77
162	77	77
163	77	77
164	77	77
165	77	77
166	77	77
167	78	78
168	78	78
169	78	78
170	78	78
171	78	78
172	78	78
173	79	79
174	79	79
175	79	79
176	79	79
177	79	79
178	79	79
179	80	80
180	80	80
181	80	80
182	80	80
183	80	80
184	80	80
185	80	81
186	81	81
187	81	81
188	81	81
189	81	81
190	81	81
191	81	81
192	82	82
193	82	82
194	82	82
195	82	82
196	82	82
197	82	82
198	82	82
199	83	83
200	83	83
201	83	83
202	83	83
203	83	83
204	83	83
205	83	83
206	84	84
207	84	84
208	84	84
209	84	84
210	84	84
211	84	84
212	84	84
213	84	85
214	85	85
215	85	85
216	85	85
217	85	85
218	85	85
219	85	85
220	85	85
221	86	86
222	86	86
223	86	86
224	86	86
225	86	86
226	86	86
227	86	86
228	86	86
229	87	87
230	87	87
231	87	87
232	87	87
233	87	87
234	87	87
235	87	87
236	87	87
237	88	88
238	88	88
239	88	88
240	88	88
241	88	88
242	88	88
243	88	88
244	88	88
245	88	89
246	89	89
247	89	89
248	89	89
249	89	89
250	89	89
251	89	89
252	89	89
253	89	89
254	90	90
255	90	90
256	90	90
257	90	90
258	90	90
259	90	90
260	90	90
261	90	90
262	90	90
263	91	91
264	91	91
265	91	91
266	91	91
267	91	91
268	91	91
269	91	91
270	91	91
271	91	91
272	92	92
273	92	92
274	92	92
275	92	92
276	92	92
277	92	92
278	92	92
279	92	92
280	92	92
281	92	93
282	93	93
283	93	93
284	93	93
285	93	93
286	93	93
287	93	93
288	93	93
289	93	93
290	93	93
291	93	94
292	94	94
293	94	94
294	94	94
295	94	94
296	94	94
297	94	94
298	94	94
299	94	94
300	94	94
301	94	95
302	95	95
303	95	95
304	95	95
305	95	95
306	95	95
307	95	95
308	95	95
309	95	95
310	95	95
311	95	95
312	96	96
313	96	96
314	96	96
315	96	96
316	96	96
317	96	96
318	96	96
319	96	96
320	96	96
321	96	96
322	96	96
323	97	97
324	97	97
325	97	97
326	97	97
327	97	97
328	97	97
329	97	97
330	97	97
331	97	97
332	97	97
333	97	97
334	98	98
335	98	98
336	98	98
337	98	98
338	98	98
339	98	98
340	98	98
341	98	98
342	98	98
343	98	98
344	98	98
345	98	99
346	99	99
347	99	99
348	99	99
349	99	99
350	99	99
351	99	99
352	99	99
353	99	99
354	99	99
355	99	99
356	99	99
357	99	100
358	100	100

Anything above 358(Phys. P)/357(Mag. P) is 100.

Whether these are the numbers the servers use for calculation is an entirely different story.

Excel's logarithmic regression isn't smart enough to figure it out. And WolframAlpha gives me a cubic curve, which still has error.

How'd you get all those values? ?

Wait wait wait, aren't we not supposed to be talking about that?

Since when? Mining =/= Glitch Abuse.

Since forever ago.

I suck at math and you want me to find it ರ_ರ?

I'll forward it to a friend and see what he can do.

Should we at least put the chart for all to see?

I guess, but who would want to try and deal with absurd numbers...

Also my mathematically enthusiastic friend can't make heads or tails out of the values.

If you wanted borders on the table, you could've used the mabitable class.

I've been making them by hand since...forever. @@