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Try using the Show preview button next to Save page so you don't have to make so many edits. :) And in case you didn't know yet, ~~~ will sign your name and ~~~~ will sign your name along with the date. --Aramet 18:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. =P If you need any help regarding the wiki, you can ask in the Question and Answer. --Aramet 22:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


Just a little warning, but due to the new Policy, if you are not to make a contribution to the wiki before Friday, your account will be locked. Usually, this is not warned to wiki users, but I am giving you a heads up just in case you did not know. --Kevin Talk«) 01:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, ZRoc. You're fine. ---Angevon 16:25, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I accidentally hit 'History' instead of User Contributions. Yeah, you're fine. :P --Kevin Talk«) 20:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Handicraft Kit

Even after making a template form for handicraft kit, you will need a template style to apply it to. Check out Template:StyleMonster for example. That's how the monster template looks. Then check out Template:DataMonsterGolem. that's the data applied to the Template:StyleMonster template. Then it's used as {{DataMonsterGolem|format=StyleMonster}} Use this and apply it to your handicraft template. --Kevin Talk«) 02:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


The hats are 2x2 not 4x4. 4x4 would be 16 spaces. xD Please make the change. ~Lloyd 09:43, 24 May 2009 (EST)

Wiki Updates

The Wiki Updates are on the front page, as Angevon said. People post up updates regarding the game itself rather than just the wiki. --Aramet 16:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Found a Template

I'm not sure if you're interested in using it, but I figured I'd show you. It's a template that shows Defense, Protection, Upgrades, Durability, cost, location, WxH, and image. It's located here. --Aramet 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I do not like that template. If you want to salvage it, it could be perhaps fixed up.... ---Angevon 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I meant more like ... "don't use it" lol. ---Angevon 22:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, then. =P --Aramet 23:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Very well. Glad I can help. ^^ --Aramet 23:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


When you copy and paste, try not to forget to change the categories. =P Cores' Boots (M), Cores' Boots (F), and Leather Shoes (Type 3) were all in the Hats category. --Aramet 17:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I know how you feel. But it's okay. It was just a mistake. --Aramet 17:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Rere: Gifts Page

You're welcome. All I did was find the size of Jennifer's icon (43x50 pixels), then resized Gilmore's into the same size. =P --Aramet 22:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I use Jasc Paint Shop Pro (version 8). --Aramet 22:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Move tab

Not sure if you noticed this, but if you create a page with the wrong name, you can use the Move tab at the top of the page. It will allow you to move all of the existing content to a new page with a new name, and the old page will provide a redirect to the new one. --Aramet 17:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Your Page is on the "Pages to Delete" list

Because of the { {Delete|reason=} } on your page, your userpage is listed here. The edit on your page by me was an attempt to fix it, but it didn't work. --Aramet 20:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I wasnt't sure. =P You're welcome. --Aramet 23:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Holy freakin' cow...

You never sleep, do you? :) (I'm just teasin' ya.) --Irjustman 07:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I was about to say... Seems like a lot of tedious work! Good job doing all of what you're doing. --Powder Rune 22:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
. o O ( Gee, and I thought my own sleeping patterns were all cocked up... ) --Irjustman 08:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Categories Location

I don't know why, but Ikkisuki wanted the categories listed at the bottom of pages. It doesn't matter where they are on the page, really, but if you see them at the bottom, you don't have to take the time to move them back to the top. ---Angevon 16:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

tables to lists

is there a reason for moving the weapon/equitment/etc lists from the heading of table to list? didnt know if there was a plan or something you wanted to do after you moved all of that stuff. :P slayer1o1 19:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No thats fine I just didnt know why you were doing it. Curosity killed the cat :D slayer1o1 16:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hat list

If you want to take the time for it, go ahead ---Angevon 16:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is it okay if I change the format on the Hat list, since you seem so busy with other things on the wiki? --Aramet 02:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Spinning Wheel

Well, it doesn't matter what ever you change it to, it just seemed the 'TOOL' thing was out of place for a wiki.--Hengsheng120 01:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Fishing Items

Yeah, sure, go ahead. It does make more sense that way. ---Angevon 21:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

"Hexagon" Dice

"Hexagon" is mis-translated... Do we keep mis-translated descriptions? The proper term is
Hexahedron - A solid bounded by polygons, such as a cube, that has six faces.
Hexagon might throw people off, because it means - A polygon having six sides.--Hengsheng120 02:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It's ok lol i asked other people in my guild and most of them didn't know it was wrong anyways--Hengsheng120 03:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


That sounds like a good idea, especially about the accessories. I've been deleting the "Upgrades" section entirely for hats/shoes/gloves, but I guess it should still be noted that they can't be upgraded. The Limitations is perfect for that. ---Angevon 15:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been deleting the fishing/stores/drop sections for items that don't come from those. I cross-reference everything on JP wiki, and it's not all that often that in the future they add a new drop location for an item. If suddenly something does drop/become fishable/etc. then we can just add that section in. Well, that's my opinion, at least. ---Angevon 20:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Go ahead and delete them; I usually copy & paste another page's coding instead of using the code already there. ---Angevon 20:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Cannot be repaired

I think we should put all restrictions in red, like on the Handicraftsman's Bandana page. Do you think it's a good idea? --Aramet 17:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Just what I thought, too. And you're welcome. I had just noticed you requested that it be resized while ago. =P --Aramet 19:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


If the links are necessary, then go ahead and put them in, but I think we can leave the limitations as it is now. If people need to search "Human" or "Elf," they can easily type it into the search bar. --Aramet 17:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


Im pretty sure it should be singular. --Kevin Talk«) 23:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

-Is very lazy- --Kevin Talk«) 23:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Think about it tho...
grocery list...
uhm... item list?
They're all singular... sounds more correct than plural form too... --Kevin Talk«) 08:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


Go for it. I also agree with what you put on the event talk page about "Miscellaneous Events" etc. since we make a new page for every event anyway now, we don't even need those extra pages. ---Angevon 16:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Future Items

Again, sure, go ahead. ---Angevon 16:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Duplication of manual titles with incorrect names

ZRoc, you can go ahead and change back the titles if you want. I however, still do not think they warrant the error tag. The reason I removed the tailoring requires ments was that was for the clothing, not the manuals. The manuals will link to the requiremest, I removed the link on the clothes. Koil 18:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't remember messing with the manuals. Whatever. The only reason I touched that at all was because it seemed repetative and I think even beginners could tell the difference. It's sort of obvious. Koil 18:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: price columns

The sorting, it works! Thanks a ton! I read the sorting thing on mediawiki before but I couldn't really understand it. At least we know what to do now. ---Angevon 01:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

well actually...

i do have an idea i'd like to speak -privately- with the mods about, that i think will be very helpful to alot of people. is there anyway to do so? Miyani 14:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

i'm interested in know actually who would be in charge of new features? or is it, if you put in the work to do this it stay kind of thing? what i'd like to add is a new feature that will require alot of research for equipment that i'm more than happy to do, i have um, alot of free time. Miyani 16:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

i think i'll go with your other idea and ask about it on the Q&A, basically what the idea is, is a template added to dyeable equipment stating which palettes are used. alot of people i've met hesitate when buying an item because they don't know what the palettes are, or are crushed once they do and find out they have to buy fixed dyes for it. the other part would be adding an example of cloth, leather, and the..."pixie palaette" which has no dark colors, or true white/black. any input on how to present that? Miyani 18:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

A small note

Actually, quite a few things that Price sells can't be repaired, like the number signs.--♫ѕταя♪ 20:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Test Page

I never edited it, except the talk page.--♫ѕταя♪ 21:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Tis alright, back then I couldn't quite understand the purpose of that table, so I thought you just made a typo.--♫ѕταя♪ 21:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

updated as suggested

i combined the suggestions of you and Angevon, underneath the coding test section on my page, there's a note with the dye palette pages all linked, let me know if these are done ok, if you approve i'll start working on it in a couple days. Miyani 00:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Baldwig thing

everytime i've seen price he's had the wig in stock, so i'd guess yes. it also comes out of one of the gachapons, i think it was fashion.

Hmm, I don't think it should go on limited because that's mainly for event hats. But, I don't really care where you put it heh. ---Angevon 00:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Weapon Shop Locations, Drop locations, etc.

I don't really think we need "Shop Locations" and "Drop Locations" if it's already provided on the weapon template. Go ahead and remove them. --Aramet (Talk) 22:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


Is inappropriate weapons really appropriate? I mean I understand innefective sicne it does less than bare hand damage but inappropriate just sounds a little like things. - Random


How about utility? - Random

Then how about Single Purpose? - Random
Thenperhaps we shold elliminate the category isntead of trying to rename it sicne it aleared doesnt mean what its original purpose ws. - Random

Re: Selina Open Leather Jacket

Hehe, sorry. After seeing you remove Karis from the Special Clothing List, I remembered I had started to remove the upgrades section from all of them a few weeks ago but never finished :) ---Angevon 16:00, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Combo Effects

Hey there, I know you're working on the combo effects for equipment. Random made a template for the base combo effect stats for items, and before I decide that I totally hate it, I wanted you to look at it and see if it can/should be used. It's used on the bottom of Karis Wizard Suit, in the Combo Effects section, but I'm not sure how to integrate the idea with what you've put on Magic School Shoes, or if it should even be there at all.

Originally I wanted a small mention of the bonus in the "Description" section with a link to Equipment Combination Effects (like on Starry Wizard Hat), and the Equipment Combination Effects section to repeat the info in a much more detailed way, as you've done with Magic School Shoes, but maybe it should be down there like on Karis Wizard Suit.

Your opinion would be appreciated :) ---Angevon 23:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


i barely remember adding it, i think it was because it was unisex + mana thing. was a long time ago x.x anywho sorry for miscategorization. night night Miyani 05:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

still up,. couldn't sleep x.x btw why is it that users aren't supposed to delete things on their talk page? Miyani 07:18, 30 August 2009


um, unless it was removed i uploaded the pixie palette and added it to the page. o.oMiyani 10:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: yus it is infact there, if you'd like to see it on it's own here ya go:


harhar i win, it's the palette on the right hand side at the end, the palette not shown is the giant palette <3 :P ah i do love our late night banter XD Miyani 13:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

awwwwww there there now, *gives sympathy cookie* Miyani 13:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

    • patpat** yay! hail the power of cookies! are you on mabi atm? o.o Miyani 14:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
  • has added* hope it's ok ^^" *is bored and gves apology cookie if i offended* Miyani 14:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Magic Powders

I know you asked this almost 2 months ago but, yes, I like what you did with the Magic Powders List. Maybe put a <br> tag after the price in the "Cost" section. Also Miscellaneous Weapons sounds like a good "catch-all" name for the weapons that have nowhere else to go. ---Angevon 16:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


Please use templaes such as Item for items like those quest items and for equipable items use item/header along with one of the following:
Template:Item/suit unisex
There is none for accesories or weapons.- A Random User 03:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

First of all, they are autorised by angevon himself. Second, yes people have seen them such as Irjustman. Third, i may have mispelled a few but I made htem all. - A Random User

Re: Emain Macha Cooking Contest

I'm not sure if it has ended or not, but a few days ago I saw a message on top of my screen saying that the final round for the Emain Macha Cooking Contest was taking place. --Aramet (Talk) 19:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, it says "Emain Macha is currently in progress on Channel 3." I assume that means the contest, so perhaps it is everlasting? --Aramet (Talk) 20:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Never mind. Nexon fixed the message and it now says "The award ceremony for the Emain Macha is currently in progress on Channel 3." --Aramet (Talk) 21:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Enchant

..oh. *headscratchy* See, I realize giving it to someone else to enchant burn isnt the same as enchant burning it yourself, but I kinda figured (key word: figured) that it would just be a mana herb. guess I was wrong ^^;..I've never really have someone enchant burn something for me. (You can go hate me now)--♫ѕταя♪ 02:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

You can *uberlazy* 8D--♫ѕταя♪ 14:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


OMG KOOT!--Demaetri (Talk) 03:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)



I was one of the ones who noticed that and the higher-level admins and I talked about it. Watching what some users were saying (they thought he was a mod or perhaps an admin), we felt it was time to act. --Irjustman 08:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Dougal

I'm pleased that you made corrections and updates to Dougal! I think Collecting Quests would be a fine place for the Black Orb quest. Would you add it? I had terrible trouble figuring out the linking to a section thing. I finally got it to work, but that was a couple weeks ago now and I have forgotten it...

Thanks! - User:DariaOxo 11:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

In re templates

I do not think it matters. The "fan-out" is what matters here. If it has to propagate to a lot of pages, I don't think it matters that much whether data replacement is involved or not (unless there's more database traffic). On that topic, the database server isn't even winded, while the webserver is barely treading water when it has to do something like this. This is why I'm getting more vocal about getting help (partly technically, but mostly financially) about getting this matter fixed. --Irjustman 17:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

In re: Grouped references

You should be good to go for the abovementioned. To be safe, I made sure you could actually make them by making sure the directive for grouped references is set to "true", as well as upgraded to the latest release of the Cite extension. Scream at me whether it works or not. --Irjustman 03:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Signatures and text not in English

I posted a thread on this is in the staff/admin section of the forums. Didn't get too much of an agreement or response. We probably won't have a policy against writing info in other languages until someone actually writes something offensive in another language. I may add something about using US English versus standard English (is that what it's called? -ignorant-) on the policy soon though so we can be consistent with armor vs armour etc. ---Angevon 03:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Signature with "talk" link

Simple question: How do you do it? That's just so damned cool, I wanted to know how you did it. --Irjustman 09:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Lol, how do you not know o.o --Hengsheng120(talkcontribs) 11:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know. Never bothered to look at preferences except to change how many edits I see on RecentChanges. ---Angevon 13:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sorting

That looks like an awesome find. The coding is way too technical for me to figure out what it's all about, so thanks for the explanations heh. ---Angevon 13:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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