Question and Answer/Archive1

This is page 1 of an archive of questions asked on the wiki's Q&A page. It contains questions 01-25.

Q1 outside links

Q. Are we allowed to put up other links in this wiki?

A.What kind of link and where? We've allowed links to JP wiki on pet pages and the moongate/Price timers because they are good resources. ---Angevon

Q2 use of Mabi character generator

Q. Is it okay if I use a Mabinogi Character generator (http://mabinogi.or.tp/) for pictures of items equipped?

A. Yes. -- hawk400206
A. I would say no because you can make items any coler even if it's impossible in-game. -Fifty 05:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

A/Q . But can we if we dont break the rules? Or like for only our user page? -- hawk400206

I don't think anyone minds the pictures on the user pages. -Fifty 06:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Q. But what if I use the same colers as the picture in the inventory? Such as this for the Traditional Costume (F) being as closely colored as I could get them? Hakumei 04:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

A. That is okay I guess. -- Ember Incubus

Q3 double enchant?

Q: Doesn't it seem rather unlikely that they'd use the name for the Fierce enchant twice? I was just looking over the enchants page to see which needed to be moved and there was a Rank A suffix from sandworm with the same name as the other Fierce enchant... --Kefkai 09:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

A: Well the enchant Fierce was already on the servers before the Sandworms came an from what ive seen the Fierce enchant from them has yet to be translated into english showing up as a bunch of squares. More then likely Nexon will eventually catch onto this an rename it with a proper english name --Baxcel

A2: they decided to rename the enchant "Untamed" --Baxcel

Q4 how to link to images

Q: I feel kinda dumb asking this, but how can I get a pic on a page, i can't figure out what to type? --Flame

A: [[Image:LinkToImage.EXT]] --Kevin 23:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

A2: Thanks. --Flame

Q5 in use tag?

Q: let's start using the In Use tag! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Inuse , however I dunno where to place this so others see. XD Help? -- Ladywinter 01:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

A: I would assume this goes on the top of the page. However, the edit might just automatically palce it on the top for you. play around with it on preview? -- Yutsuko

RE: =) I meant place this information regarding this template in a place where other contributors might know about it, and then use it. --Ladywinter 05:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Q7 rare color equips

Q. Do we have a page started or info listed somewhere on the wiki about the non-event rare-colored equipment, such as the white bow/shields that can be dropped from hitting lamps/trees? As well as what areas of Erinn they are local to? I'd like to start a table with this info, but I don't want to duplicate someone else's work. Sherida 17:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

A: we don't insofar as I know, and I kinda stalk the wiki when I'm bored. ^_^ Have at it, tho I don't know what (sub)category it should live in. -- Ladywinter 21:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

 --Thanks, will do! -- Sherida 13:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

A2: Both White Round Shields and White Bows (I've only of a Composite so far) Are found by just hitting trees and lamps in general in Tir and Dun. Shields were found from Trees, Bows from Lamps. Both have the enchant of Cookies n' Creme. -- Thirteenth 11:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

A: I came upon a site in Japanese/Korean that had all of the special armors and weapons in the rare colors and if someone wanted to translate it i would be happy to post a link. All that i know about the page is that it is in an Asian language becuase of the boxes throught the whole page. I dont know if we have a designated translater or not. slayer1o1 19:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Q8 tabs on a page

Q. Does anyone know how to make tabs on a wiki page? Like the ones at the top with 'discussion' and 'edit', but used on an actual wiki page. --Kevin (‧_Ta^lk‧) 01:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

A. I believe it should make the tabs when you make the page. I have made one or two pages and the tabs were already there. i think the wiki automaticly supplies the tabs, but i could be wrong. might want to get ahold of a moderator. slayer1o1 18:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

A2. As Slayer has stated, the tabs are pre-made depending on a few things: Login ID, Page type, Wiki member, etc. For example, if you aren't logged in, the tabs at the top of the pages will be limited to you. Cetain pages, such as Templates, will have different tabs at the top of the page than a regular page ie. Page will be replaced with Template. If you wanted to add your own tabs, you would have to either contact an administrator (IJM) who can change the coding suppliedby MediaWiki (Maybe not IJM..) --Zephyre^TALK 14:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Q9 monster table data

Q. Anyone know how to work the new moster table (edit and add) any help would be great. thanks in advance. slayer1o1 22:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

A. Use Template:DataMonster as a reference. To add the monster, use {{Template:DataMonsterNameHere|format=StyleMonster}}. --Kevin _(»Talk«) 22:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Q10 allow linkage

Q. Am I allowed to link item names, in lists/tables, to their respective pages (if there is a page to link to that is)? Some lists/tables such as the Blunts table have item names linked to their respective pages but I'm not sure if you want that in other lists/tables such as the Miscellaneous List and Glove List. Also as they appear to be doing the same thing should lists/tables not be called by only one term, that is, either table or list (I typed in Blunts List into search and wondered why I couldn't find anything until I went to the main page and clicked on Weapons>Weapons Tables>Blunts Table lol) --ZRoc 13:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

More links is always good, especially for the table/list pages. And you're right, we need to standardize the table pages' names... So, which one does everyone prefer? Table or List (for like Gloves List) ---Angevon 21:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I think list would be a better choice. --ZRoc 22:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Q11 weapon info redundancy

"Item Grades" vs "Base Status". Do we need both sections? It's redundant. I say we keep the "Item Grades" table since sometimes items have variable durability. A table is better to portray that. See Leather Shoes (Type 1) for example. ---Angevon 15:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the "Base Status" section appears to be redundant. If the "Base Status" section is deleted, how about adding a "Limitations" section that lists whether an item is "Human, Elf, Giant only", "not able to enchanted", "not able to be repaired" and/or "not able to be traded"? Also, how about including a "Description" section with an inventory type image of the item, inventory size and game description? See Paper Hat as an example. --ZRoc 11:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Now I've gotten used to it, I like it. With the inventory icon moved like that, it also partially solves the problem with the "edit" buttons moving down from too many pictures on the side. However, I'd like it if the "Upgrades" section was removed since hats can never be upgraded. ---Angevon 02:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't even think of that, can I remove the Upgrade section heading entirely or should that stay (I just have "Cannot be upgraded at this time" under it, not the table).

Q12 repair rates

Q. What shall we do for repair rates for equipment (not weapons/tools). I made a repair chart on Leather Shoes (Type 1). It seems kinda big though. Any suggestions on formatting it better? ---Angevon 15:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
A. How about a table that just shows the percentages and how much it costs for one point of repair? cant people look to other pages to find out who repairs what. or do we need to make a table like that showing that. slayer1o1 19:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. I made the "Repair Costs" header itself a link to the list of repairmen. I think it looks better now. ---Angevon 23:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

That was a good idea about linking the header directly to the appropriate repair chart, I didnt know you could do that. --ZRoc 11:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Q13 toolbox

Q. Can this page be listed in the toolbox group of links in the left hand column of wiki pages? I think it would be extremely helpful to new users? --ZRoc 11:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't know, I got a feeling we'll just get tons of people asking game-related questions. Sort of like how "Mabinogi Wiki News" on the main page is now used for Pretty Much Anything News. ---Angevon 20:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, now that we're using it more, I think a link on the sidebar is a good idea. However, I forget what the sidebar's page/template is called... ---Angevon 02:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sidebar. --Aramet (Talk) 02:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Q14 item locations

Q. As there are sections for item locations (Store, Drop and Fishing Locations) should there be something that indicates if an item can be found by exploration (not its location lol)? Also, is there an accurate list being kept for items found by exploration (not one listing items found during the Exploration Event when the Iria patch came out)? Similarly, is there a single list of items dropped by monsters, would it be wortwhile to do (such a list would make it easier to find out if an item you are making a page for actually is dropped since someone making or updating a monster page may not care to or know how to link to a dropped items page)? --ZRoc 07:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, we don't have an accurate exploration item list. It looks like some people have been trying to update the old event page Exploration Treasures. As for drops, we don't have a list like that. I use JP wiki to find out what drops an item, but it's probably too hard for the average person (and JP wiki isn't always accurate for NA). I'm used to finding info there, so it's easy for me. If you'd like to have me reference it for the item pages you make, I can do that. ---Angevon 02:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

If it doesn't create too much work for you then I'd gladly accept your help. Otherwise I'll eventually try it the hard way and go kill some monsters (eventually might be a loooong way in the future) XD --ZRoc 09:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok i know this isnt the most legal thing to do, but would it be possible for someone to go looking around in the code for a list of what drops from monsters and exploration? slayer1o1 19:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

i haven't checked every single file, but all of the files I know of that have information on monsters, don't say anything about monster drops, (other than the siren)i could be wrong, but i don't think there is a list like that in there.--Sozen Cratos Focker 21:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Q15 wiki main page

Q. On the Wiki Main Page, in the Items section, the "Equipment" category lists "Head", "Body", "Gloves", "Shoes", "Accessories" and "Design Contest":

1 - would it not be more consistent to have "Hands" instead of "Gloves" and "Feet" instead of "Shoes"?

2 - shouldn't "Robes" be added to "Equipment"?

3 - as sheilds have a lot more in common with items listed in "Equipment" would it not be better to move "Sheilds" there too?

4 - also instead of "Items" would "Equippable Items" be more suitable. Equippable is not actually a real word (at least not yet lol) but its used a lot in RPG games and associated forums. --ZRoc 08:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer using "Gloves" to using "Hands". "Hands" just sounds stupid to me. The whole equipment section needs a rewrite, plain and simple, but it's a big task that I haven't been up to. I just added shields to the main page as you suggested. ---Angevon 17:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for that and I understand whatever I ask may not be possible or difficult but as I've never run a wiki I dont know, so sorry for the dumb questions. Also, you are right "Hands" and "Gloves" probably does sound stupid but I'm not known for my originality in naming things (if I got a pet dog I'd probably call it Spot or Rover lol) --ZRoc 01:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, it's not a dumb question, and someone must have thought the same as you in the first place with the page-naming. My pets names are pretty dumb too hahaha. The main thing that bothered me about "Hands" is that technically you can equip weapons and things in your hands, not just gloves and gauntlets, so it could be misleading. ---Angevon 02:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Good point I didn't even think of that. BTW "Headgear" and "Clothing/Armor" not only sounds a lot better (than "Feet" and "Hands") its consistent too ^^ --ZRoc 09:59, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Q16 edit buttons

Q. Instead of having images of equipped items on the right side of the page where they mess up the "edit" buttons and can be untidy (especially if there is more than one) how about doing it like this? Also, can non-wiki members still click on those images to see the full size version? --ZRoc 11:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

A. I know what you mean by the edit button going whack, and I think what you have there looks nice and clean. However, how would this work with clothing? Maybe it's because I'm OCD, but it would really bother me if the formatting between equipment pages didn't match. Clothing screenshots are 2-4x taller than they are wide so putting them across the Description area would unnecessarily lengthen the page. One solution could be to use the same-style black border and thumb them to the right. This would mean redoing all of the equipment pages, and probably taking multiple pictures all over again with different views of gears to fit the layout. It's doable, but it's also a lot of work. But I suppose that doesn't matter in the end if the result is pleasing.
I like the image gallery idea, but I'm curious if there's another alternative. --Powder Rune 08:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The idea is to give an image that can be clicked on for the full size version, so could the Clothing screen shots be set to 50px or 75px wide instead of 100px (see examples here)? However, I do agree that a few of the very high height to low width proportioned images may need to be shortened or have a new image made. --ZRoc 13:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

My examples resize an image to a certain width however is there a way to set the height instead of the width? So all the images would be resized to a standard height instead of a standard width. --ZRoc 15:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that does look good. I'm willing to go for it. For the clothes, the 75px looks best to me. As for setting the height, it's the same as the width, just put an x in front. e.g. x75px instead of 75px. ---Angevon 23:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the info about setting the height. Now all we need is to have a standard height that's used on every page that has equipped images, so anyone with OCD will be happy (and I'm agreeing, I just didn't think that far ahead :P). There are more examples with a set height here, they include a more square image as well as the tall ones. These heights are only my suggestions, if there is another height others want then by all means use that as the standard. --ZRoc 07:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhapes set a maximum (rather than a standard) height that's not to be exceeded and allow the height to be reduced for shorter images. That way images will not hog the top of a page but still look tidy for shorter images. --ZRoc 08:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, the set height looks really good, so some pages won't necessarily be stretched any longer than others. I think the clothing looks best at 250px high, but gloves & shoes ect. probably don't need to be that big. Would it drive anybody nuts if we set the clothing gallery at 250px high, and shoes/gloves at 200px or less? If we want to make it slightly different depending on the height:width ratio of the images overall in that category, we'd probably need to think of something for weapons, too, because those have a large range of height:width... But that might be confusing ._. So one standard height would be fine if all of that is too much.

We should also probably ask of people to make all screenshots of equipped gloves and shoes perfectly square once we implement this. Just a suggestion. --Powder Rune 16:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think keeping images of gloves and shoes (and hats) perfectly square is a very good idea and I have no problem with 250px as a standard height for clothing/armor and robes but maybe 180px high for gloves, shoes and hats would be better as some images dont reach 200px but most appear to be over 180px (I've added a 180px and 150px standard height images to the previous examples). However, some images will still need to be replaced because their size or porportions are way off, I've added two images of this to the examples as well. --ZRoc 06:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess images that are too high compared to width don't matter so much as the height is restricted but as Rune suggested it would be cleaner to have consistent proportions. Also images that are too short will be untidy as the "Colin Vixen Boots (Giant Only)" (2nd to last) image in the examples demonstrates. Perhapes a prominently displayed link on the "Upload file" page to a list of proportion and size requirements for images of various groups of items (and other things people need images of) would help? --ZRoc 10:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, forcing sizes for pictures is getting a bit over-controlling, in my opinion. We could just set the sizes on a page-by-page basis (like, use whatever size looks good for the particular picture we have for it) instead of saying that all armor pictures must have the same exact dimensions. ---Angevon 20:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

What about a maximum height for the image gallery then, so people dont reset it to something that hogs the page? And I still think it would be better to at least have a suggested list of proportions and sizes, so people have an idea of what works better (as decided by consensus) but thats only my opinion :) --ZRoc 11:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Height and size restrictions aside, is this worth doing? --ZRoc 16:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I did it to Popo's Merchant Cap. How's it look? I went with 100px height. ---Angevon 16:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The height is a good choice and it looks really good (but I'm biased). So, I can start using this? No-one has a problem with it? That is, aside from the size of images which can be worked out later, if it really becomes an issue. --ZRoc 19:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, go ahead. I just made a robe page with it, x200 height, added some coding to the table for "Hood Up" and "Hood Down". We may want to add "Mask Up" and "Mask Down" for helmets with visors, too. I think it looks great too. Of course, I'm -also- biased since I took the pics :) ---Angevon 01:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, there are a few pages I really wanted to clean up XD. I like the hood up/down images and I think your idea for helmets is definitely worth doing. Your robe page has 7 images lined up across it but even on a small monitor I think you could still see them all, so you certainly have the room. --ZRoc 03:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Just for clarification, images of shoes/headgears/gloves are to be square with a height of 100px, while all clothing/armor/robes are to be 200px high? I really like how that robe table looks, too. Time to make this happen! --Powder Rune 07:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

As Angevon suggested forcing things to one set of sizes and shapes may be a bit too over-controlling. However, I think using those heights on a page is a good idea and should certainly be used as a general guide. Note that the actual images can be larger and probably should be. What's being displayed on a page is a picture gallery from which a more detailed view of individual images can be selected (if the image itself doesn't need to be larger then that's fine too). --ZRoc 18:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I know I already said it but I really like Angevon's Hood Up/Down idea. I used it for the "Rose Decoration" and "Daisy Decoration" pages, males and females wear them differently. --ZRoc 18:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Been implementing these galleries myself. The Gothic Laced Skirt page is one of the clothing ones, and for shoes I did Sandra's Sniper Suit Boots (F). Hope it looks alright. I was wondering if we need an "Angled" shot for shoes, or is Front, Side, and Back enough? --Powder Rune 03:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't look like we'd need angled for shoes. Too much pink, Rune, too much pink... kidding haha. ---Angevon 04:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I'm sorry about the pink. I really can't help it >: But you're my blue counterpart! Anyway, just to view how it'd look, I did shoes with an angled shot on Knee-high Boots. --Powder Rune 08:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Eh, well, because of the way I took the Front, Side, and Back shots (straight on, no bird's eye view), I think including an Angled shot for shoes would look better. Seems it'd be weird without it, and I did the same thing on Ella's Strap Boots. --Powder Rune 00:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I think angled images should only be used to show a feature of an item that is not clearly shown in other images, rather than be required for all items. However, unless there are a lot of images already on a page then you probably have room to use whatever you want =). On another matter, if there is a feature on an item that only shows up on one side of an equipped image then perhapes use Right or Left instead of just Side? --ZRoc 02:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

As the picture gallery idea is being used, I'm deleting the example images I created on my test page (User:ZRoc/Test Page), they really are not needed anymore. --ZRoc 05:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

So, I want to implement this for shoes and gloves. Do we want front/back/side/angled for shoes, or just front/back/side (seen both used so far)? And what do we want for gloves? They are harder to take pics of. ---Angevon 03:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like anled images of shoes are being made but I dont see the point in most cases. I've made them cause others are using it and it seemed better to supply the whole set than later being told one is missing. As for gloves, would a front image of one glove with a player standing at ease, a side image of one glove with a player standing at ease and an angled image of both gloves with a player in a fighting pose be useful? Then just use Front, Side and Angled as the actual names. Cant see a reason for a back image as most gloves would be obscured --ZRoc (Talk) 23:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I really like what Akumo did for Scissors Glove. ---Angevon 00:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm wrong again, the Back image does work (T.T), I think I'll just go hide somewhere and munch cookies. I think it looks really good the way Akumo's done it, I would be happy to use it. --ZRoc (Talk) 15:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

One thing about the glove images Akumo used, I would suggest that the images showing front and back should be more square but that's only to make it look tidier. Not really a high priority lol --ZRoc (Talk) 10:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking about making them more square to match with side and angled, but then it would just add unneeded, extra background to the pictures. Also the main focus is on the gloves themselves, so I try to get the closest view of the glove/equipments and get rid of distractions.--Akumo 19:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I figured that's why you did it and as I said my suggestion wasn't a high priority. If possible, square images would be tidier and the image gallery is for a quick look, if someone wants a detailed look at a larger image then they can click on the images in the gallery. So, you could have added more height to the front and back images, without reducing the width. However, the choice is yours, as I'm not saying this should be a hard and fast rule but it would just look a bit tidier XD. I still think what you did looks good and is the best way to go for the gloves' image galleries. --ZRoc (Talk) 05:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Q17 image location

Q. On some pages images are provided but not at the top of the page (and dont belong at the top). They are on the left and have the same problems as those discussed in question 16. A possible solution is shown here. Note it is no longer a thumb because the thumb's text only repeated what was in the full text and the image has to be smaller to fit the thumb's text in. The image's height can be adjusted to fit the text on the left. I've taken the basic ideas used in question 16 above and on the "Actions" page where they put the action icons on the right of the text. If its not desired I'll change Manus' page back. --ZRoc 15:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Q18 dungeons

Q: on the Dungeon chart, why are nonexistant dungeons listed? and why are so many real dungeons not listed(all of the albey gem dungeons are not there, and all int and adv dungeons just have one listing for int or adv, when there are 3 different versions of every int dungeon and 4 versions of every adv dungeon)?--Sozen Cratos Focker 16:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Because the original editors of that chart have stopped working on it. It's a fairly subjective article, in any case. ---Angevon 23:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Q19 equipment names

Q. Names for Equipment:
The names for some equipment (I've seen it for shoes mostly) in the wiki have "(Male Only)" or "(Female Only)" included. Where two items use the exact same in-game name (no "(F)" or "(M)" to seperate them) then this makes sense. However where there is only one item and it is gender specific then this should not be done, the item's in-game name is enough. If Nexon later brings out the opposite gender's item then the original's wiki name can be changed. This also applies to where "(Giant only)" and "(Elf Only)" are added to a wiki name but there is no other item with that exact same in-game name. Reasons for this:

• In the wiki it suggests there is an item of the opposite gender or a different race available, when there isn't one (not a good thing for people new to the game or wiki).
• Items that are gender and race specific (or exclude a race) would then require all this information in the wiki name to be consistent. A wiki name could become extremely long if it was say Female Elf and Female Human Only.
• The item's page should have the gender and race information, therefore extra information in the item's wiki name should only be added to seperate those with the exact same in-game name (another example of where it was needed is Leather Shoes (Type 1), Leather Shoes (Type 2),..., Leather Shoes (Type5)).
• It is easier to make links for items with the exact same in-game and wiki names (also produces less redirects), although Nexon's use of in-game names does not always make this possible.
• A lot of equipment does not use this form of wiki naming and would require a lot of pages to be moved.

I'm sorry if I seem to be nitpicking but I think its worth keeping the wiki's use of names as simple and consistent as possible. --ZRoc 18:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Also if an item's wiki name has added information, as compared to its in-game name, should it be just a capital or words?

• female only items: "F" or "Female Only"
• male only items: "M" or "Male Only"
• giant only items: "G" or "Giant Only"
• elf only items: "E" or "Elf Only"
• human only items: "H" or "Human Only" --ZRoc 20:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought you were the one who started spelling it completely out like "(Male Only)". I like it that way because it's obvious. Redirects are easy to make. Moving pages is also not hard. Honestly, I like having the designations for all the items. That way, simply looking at the equipment category page, people will know whether ot not they can use the item, without the extra hassle of going onto the equipment's page. ---Angevon 23:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I know I started it but I didn't realise how long it would make an item's wiki name (and later I thought a moderator would tell me to change it but I saw it being used instead lol). If you prefer it, and don't think the reasons I gave will cause a problem, then fine, I'll start doing it that way ^^ --ZRoc 01:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

In NPC shop lists I'll just use the capitals so it doesn't use up too much room, e.g., [[Tork's Hunter Suit (Female Only)|Tork's Hunter Suit (F)]]. --ZRoc 01:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

We can get some other peoples' opinion, too, though. ---Angevon 02:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, thinking it over again, writing out "Female Only" etc. on every female-only item name and also putting all race restrictions in the name will make the categories look very messy; there are just too many items with different limitations. Heck there are even a couple of "Human and Giant only" items out there. Bottom line: Since we've been making the now-very-noticable "Limitations" sections in the articles, I don't think we need to use the page name for limitations anymore, except for those items that have male and female versions. ---Angevon 02:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

So, do we move them to the in-game name only? Except for those items which have the exact same in-game name for both genders. Do you want to add (M) and (F) for these or (Male Only) and (Female Only). For something like "Leather Shoes" (where there are 5 versions using the exact same in-game name) I think using "(Type 1)", "(Type 2)", etc, is better than trying to add all the actual different limitations (2 are unisex but differ on price/appearance, 2 are female only but differ on price/appearance and 1 is male only). --ZRoc 11:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

A bit of a late reply, but I moved all pages to their exact in-game name except for the different things that share the exact name (Leather Shoes, Cores' Boots). As you said, everything that shared the same in-game name got (F), (M), or (Giant) tagged at the end. If this happens to a page and you're passing by, please clarify in the description what the item is actually called in-game. --Powder Rune 00:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of noting the correct in-game name in the description of an item which is forced to have a different wiki name. I should have thought of that XD --ZRoc 06:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Q20 subpages

Are regular users allowed to make sub-pages for their user page? For example: User:Aramet/Test. --Aramet 17:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes. ---Angevon 23:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Q21 future content items

About future content items... should we put them into a separate category from the gears currently implemented? Like "Category:Future Clothing" instead of "Category:Clothing" so that users looking at the clothing category won't see the future content stuff and get confused? It won't be hard to move them into the main category once implemented. ---Angevon 02:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, it would be a lot quicker to see what is available. This would only apply to categories not pages with lists of items? Most, if not all, lists have the future content stuff clearly marked and in their own sections. --ZRoc 02:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, just for categories. ---Angevon 04:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Q22 item name

Since I doubt people will see the question on its talk page, I'll ask here; what is the Bell Cat Hat's NA localized name? ---Angevon 04:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Q23 bank trans fee

Why is the "Bank Trans. Fee" being removed from the "Store Locations" table's "Cost" column (see Trudy's Metal Glasses history)? The information seems very helpful. Also, I thought "For information and individual articles on all headgear go here." or "Go here for more headgears" looks better than "See also Category:Headgear for more headgears."? --ZRoc 21:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the bank transaction fee was useful, too... don't know why Rune's removing it. I'd rather keep the Category part because then I can see where it is going without reading the whole sentence or mousing over the link, but whatever. ---Angevon 22:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

If people prefer the sentence with the Category shown then I'll live with it XD
But I still think the bank transaction fee should be kept. --ZRoc 02:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I've made Bank Transaction Fee a link to its definition on the Glossary page. And I'm putting them back in. ---Angevon 16:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Bah, sorry about all of that. I tried to crappily explain the bank trans. mistake before but I don't think it would help now. Anyway, I think I put it back with a link to the glossary for one page that was missed and that's about it.

Also, I really think we should do "See also Category:Headgear for more headgear." rather than "Go here for..." because when I was a new wiki user, I didn't have much of a clue to the categories' functions and where I could find items of the same type until I saw the name of the page "Category:Headgear," and then it set. I'm sure others figured it out faster, but it's more assuring to let people know exactly where they are going and what they're clicking, whether it be the category page or the list page. Hope that makes sense. --Powder Rune 19:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for putting back the bank transaction fees. Also, I understand and agree with the reasons given for showing links such as "Category:Headgear". Somehow I will get over my disappointment at not having things done my way XD --ZRoc 01:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Q24 weapon info

It seems confusing to only have a "Dropped By" and "Sales At" in the Base Stats and Information table for weapons. Please look at Magic Powder, Blessed Magic Powder, Elite Magic Powder and Elven Magic Powder for a different way of doing it. Note that the "Obtained From" and "Sales At" info is left aligned as it looked better that way, rather than being centered. Also, look at Magic Powders List (sorry Kevin but I changed it back =P) for a possible way of applying the same thing to lists. I left out the usual columns for weapons (injury, critical, balance, etc) as they were the same for all the magic powders and these attributes were all 0 (I did state this at the top of the Magic Powders List page). --ZRoc 11:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Q25 castle info

I think we should have Dugald Castle and Sen Mag Castle pages rather than referring to them in their respective residential town pages. These areas are where the fishing locations, moonstone mining locations and castle dungeons actually are. --ZRoc 19:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

concur -- Ladywinter 02:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)