Talk:Brionac

When this says it costs 4AP to repair each point, does this mean actual AP you get from levelling up? Because that seems a bit steep. --~Zallist 14:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, It is. --Juff 22:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Like Zallist said isnt that a bit steep plus i was psyched for this sword and now its only used for elves? Can humans get a speacial version?

It is not elf-only. It is just that elves cant normaly use 2handers but they can use this one is what it ment. -- Rıαи

Auto train ranks

Does the auto train only affect that training requirement for that RANK ONLY or is it for future ranks as well? If its for that rank only, i assume that using the auto training ability for ranks other than 1 can still get you the master title? --Syzodia 05:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

You mean training @ one rank affects future ranks? I don't understand. :c --κєνıи _{(»тαıĸ«)} 00:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not some sort of training helper thing or whatever, it's a "here, have some skill EXP lol =D". It does not affect future ranks, and in no way can ever help you get the Master Title. Novaix 00:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Yea ikki thats wut i meant. So i would have to lose dura each rank of the skill huh...oh well--Syzodia 05:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

"...one of two..."?

On the elf page, it says this: "Elves cannot use Heavy Armor or Two-Handed Weapons with the exception of Brionac." On this page, (Brionac,) it says: "Brionac is one of two-handed sword weapon that Elves are allowed to use..."

If the elves can use another two-hander, shouldn't it be mentioned on the elf page? If they can't use any two-hander but Brionac, then shouldn't that bit be removed?

Bit confusing... --Kitsuneko2 23:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

It's just fail grammar. That "two" is part of "two-handed" not "the two weapons elves are allowed to use" I'll clean it up.Novaix 00:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Usefulness?

Bsed on the damage, stats, and repair costs, this sword seems to be only useful for elves who don't have any skills left to increase. Other two-handed swords, or dual weilded weapons, can get near these stats with upgrades and enchants. Please correct me if I'm wrong. --Sanity 14:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

It also buffs Shock and Spear of Light, and has 100% repair rate, so you'll never have wasted the, say, 100k to fully upgrade and enchant a two-handed weapon to this level.Novaix 23:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

but by the time you actually get Brionac, wouldn't 100k be chump change? -- Ladywinter 00:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

No, because by the time it's out MOST players would have tons of money, but you're forgetting: a) they could be buying very expensive things/just don't make that much and b) Brionac isn't ridiculously hard to get, especially if you run easy missions (from what I know) so weak-ish players can have it and be all like "Yay, I has spare AP and no money so I get awesome weapon win!!!1!Novaix 06:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Plus for people who can't be bothered doing it the "hard way", you can use Brionac to train skills in exchange for its durability. At 4 AP per repair point that might sound stupid, but hey...you can spend AP to train up a skill like blacksmithing or spend millions of gold, choice is yours. Qaccy 07:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Errr, what? (I hate when the text gets a billion miles to the right...)Novaix 08:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Like I said...you can exchange Brionac durability for skill proficiency. Quote the Patches page: "Skill Training by using Brionac System" under G11S1. Qaccy 09:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Not that there's any information, but I can safely assume it's something like "use Brionac to train skills faster" Cool.Novaix 22:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Brionac Skill Training

Derailing from above, I'm wondering about the exact workings of the skill training system, tbh. Does anyone have any specific information on how the transfer works? I know there's a "DecreaseDuraByBrionac" field in skillinfo.xml which I assume is the durability cost to transfer, but how much gets added to the skill, restrictions, etc? --Duet 03:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

KR Mabinogi's info translate [1]

• You must train Training Method count for more than 30%.
• It filled 10% of the total number of Training Method to increase the training value.
  • But that does not exceed 10 Exp.
• It can use only using Shock skill.
• It can use once in real time every 12 hours.
• It can't use to Rank 1 skills.
• it can't use to less than 10 counts the number of training method.

--Juff 03:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Allow me to attempt to translate the grammar here:

• You must train 30% of the individual skill requirement (say you has to make 10 critical finishes, you have to make 3 before you can do this)
• It will fill 10% of the individual skill requirement (with the above example, it would fulfill one critical finish)
  • One use of this cannot exceed 10 skill experience
• You must use the spark skill first, then open up some menu.
• Can only be used once every 12 hours, real-time
• This cannot be used on rank 1 skills (to get the master title)
• It cannot be used to the point where 10 requirements are remaining (say you needed to make 100 attacks with windmill, you could only train it to a max of 90 completed)
• Hope this helpsNovaix 12:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

All right, that makes a lot more sense now. Thanks, you two. --Duet 13:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

[2] thats video of the system in action. --Zaros 19:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

When does the 12 Hour Cooldown Reset? Does it reset at Midnight/Noon Server Time, or 12 Hours after its last use? Remillo 18:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Brionac = Spear /=/ Sword?

In G2, according to Nele, he said the Brionac is a spear. Is that so? Does that mean we finally have a spear-based weapon? ~ Darkblade132

He never said that... and Morgant's sword is NOT Brionac. >> --Link 18:58, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

He said something about Lugh was exceptional at handling spears, and he was named "Brionac" which was carried over to this weapon. It looks crafted into a Spear... ~ Darkblade132

Just because it looks like a spear does not make it a spear. I even checked itemdb.xml, which says Category="/equip/twohand/weapon/edged/steel/blade/sword04/Brionac/not_dyeable/not_enchantable/not_repairable/.

It is a sword. --Jαy 19:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

In the myth Lugh was an expert at spears, and Brionac was a spear but for us characters, we handle it as a two handed sword, we likely wont get acutal spear weapons and animations. --Bryanneo 15:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, technically, giants utilise spears (Javelins) with the throwing skill :O--Th3Evil5Ponge 13:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, since G12 is name sword of gods, and it is referred as a sword numerous times, I think it's fairly accurate to say that it IS a sword.Einherjar 03:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Inventory Presence

Once you've got Brionac... is it a permanent space-hog in your inventory? This IS the thing I'm most concerned about, as I've already got my ego DB hogging inventory space, without adding another weapon I rarely (if ever) intend to use. ~ SotiCoto 19:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

You think a weapon that comes with 14 dur that can easily increase the power of spear of light by multiple times, even further with spark, and damage rivaling end game ego with spark activated, as well as train your skills is useless? Okay... Then there's the fact that you'll also be missing out on G12..Just put it in your bank..Einherjar 03:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

He was asking if you COULD put in in the bank. And he never said it was useless, he's just saying he personally doesn't intend to use it. No need to be so hostile, man. Novaix 04:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

lol personally, unless I have AP to buuuurn, which wouldn't be for... hmm, until I'm at least 4k total lvls; yes, it'd be a useless weapon to me. XD -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 07:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

You need it to visit Falias... That won't use much dura at all. IHarryl 07:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Which makes it a travel device. It's still a mostly useless weapon. XD And I piffle at the skill training help; after mastering WM everything else is easy. =P -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 08:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Use it with Shock and Spear of Light, then shut your mouth in shame. IHarryl 08:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

4 AP PER POINT. No damage is worth that to me. =P As for Spear of Light, it's flashy, but I'm mostly w/e about it. It's cooldown is also annoying. -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 16:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math, integrating cooldown times and crit percent. If the Brionac damage is anything under 10k, I'm better off WMing, Smashing, or using Adv Magic with my regular weapons. And, personally, to make it work 4 AP at this point (which is how much 1 Spear would cost), it would have to be at least a couple times 10k of damage... which is frankly overkill for most monsters. I might lob one at a dragon to get all the drops, maybe, but otherwise... meh. =\ -- ladywinter ~{talk | contribs}~ 17:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I personally don't think its worth it :| btw, ladywinter, lobbing a light spear at a dragon will not really do much and as for drops, you'll still only get one drop, everyone else that participated gets a drop...--Marthian 06:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I have a feeling that you can destroy it and obtain it again from NPC.-Wait that wouldn't make sense if I have to repair it--Hengsheng120·^TALK_CONTRIBS 08:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

You can't destroy it. It just sits in your inventory taking up space or sits in your hands taking up AP. That sword loses durability at a ridiculous rate as it cannot be blessed. Shocked Light spear uses up a ton of dura, but it makes a dragon fireball look like a firecracker(50,000 damage anyone?). Furthermore when you spark it with high ranked spark, all its stats double including balance and crit, but its dura loss also doubles. It's not something you'll want to be using haphazardly since using it in a single dungeon could cost you 20 or more AP. Tellos 07:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I bet it's like the event items where you can put it in the bank.--Hengsheng120·^TALK_CONTRIBS 09:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You can put it in bank. Fallenone 13:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Skill Training

Brionac Skill Training is effected to Skill Training Method.

This is some Brionac Skill Training Example.

Example for Refining Rank 5

Method	Exp.	Count	Brionac Training able to this method?
Successfully refine an Iron Plate. (Says "Iron Ore")	4.00	(2/10)	N (Max Training Count is 10.)
Successfully refine Mythril Ore.	4.00	(3/4)	N (Max Training Count is less than 10.)
Fail at refining Mythril Ore.	2.00	(0/8)	N (Max Training Count is less than 10.)
Successfully refine Gold Ore.	1.00	(2/20)	Y (It changes to '4/20'.)
Fail at refining Gold Ore.	0.50	(1/40)	N (Training Count is less than Max Training Count's 10%.)
Successfully refine Silver Ore.	0.20	(10/75)	Y (It changes to '18/75'.)

--Juff 07:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

When I use it on KR Test I always receive 30 counts of training in the selected area, not 10%. And in case anyone needs to ask, no the maximum training count was not "300" nor was the skill's maximum training "300" points. I would even receive less training if I chose a requirement worth less points. Tellos 17:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

What skill? Perhaps it Can't Exceed 10 skill exp rule. --Juff 01:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Brionac + Shock + Spear of Light Ignoring Mana PD

Well, because my edit on this page was reverted, I'm willing to put some evidence to support this. I believe that when using the "special version" of spear of light, it ignores the monster's mana passive defense. Since Spear of Light is classified as a magic skill, its damage gets reduce, but under the influence of both, the damage is significantly higher. The following are two videos, disregarding of course, the difference in the Rank of Spear of Light...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1si1mWEM-s
The first one is a Rank B Spear of Light used against a Zombie Soldier with level 3 mana deflector. As can see, the damage is reduced to one.

http://vimeo.com/5992588
This is the 2nd video with the Special Spear of Light with Brionac + Shock. Notice how it did 5k damage and the mana pd doesn't activate while the first video did.

Anyways, I hope this is enough evidence. I may have worded it wrong and should have said "it completely ignores Passive Defense" instead of saying "it damage enemies with high level of mana pd" --Miyuna 23:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Light spear from brionac's spark interface is actualy a different skill called "Spear of God" and is capable of piercing pd and doing unnescisary amounts of damage. Tellos 06:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone know if this also pierces the Immunities that Banshees and Liches have to everyone except Ghost Swords? Remillo 00:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Training Windmill?

On the page it said something like nearly ANY skill can be trained using brionac, with the exception of transformation skills and skilld that require quests or books to level up. I was just wondering if it is possibl to use the Brionac to train windmill? and, if so, how much durability does the Brionac lose? :oTh3Evil5Ponge 05:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't have time to complete the table or I would, but Brionac will tell you how much durability it'll cost you so you can just check without actually using any dura. Most attacking/mastery type skills take either .25 or .5 durability to train. You only get 30 counts of training though, so I wouldn't recommend high ranked or combat skills with it. Tellos 17:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Windmill ins skillinfo.xml says that it loses 0 dura when training it, meaning it probably isn't trainable? And what do you mean by 30 "counts" of training? as in 30.0 training points or 30x of a single training method? ~kotarou3 ^TALK_CONTRIBS 05:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It's the latter. Considering that Brionac has other training limitations to meet, it could very well be 0 dura required.Novaix 08:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

My experience with the xml is that if brionac dura loss is set to 0, the skill is invalid. But when I use it on KR test I always receive 30 counts of training. Like if it says "Kill a strong enemy 120/2000" it'd go to 150/2000. Or for production "Make X item 10/100" would go to 40/100. It has never let me train windmill on KR test. Its allowed me to train nearly any item producing skill or passive mastery type skill. Tellos 16:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I just got brionac today, and I trained my rank 7 wm by 10 experience points, which decreased 0.25 points of durability. I have a screenshot, but Idk how to upload a photo x.xTh3Evil5Ponge 18:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Go to Special:Upload and choose your screenshot. --- Angevon (Talk) 17:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

There's proof. I gained NO exp in between the +0.50 training exp notifications, showing that I did not kill anything to obtain said exp.Th3Evil5Ponge 22:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

its not really capped, I tried training my Critical Hit with it (r3 crit takes forever) and I got 330 critical kills (and it froze practically DX). It stopped at 10 skill points though, so it went from 59/189 to 69/189.--Marthian 17:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know how much dur it will take to train a r5 wm to rank up? I know it's like 10 pts per 0.25 dur or something, or 1 dur per 40 pts, but I have like a 50/196 for WM and i only need 100. Didn't beat G11 yet but working on it >_>--Dra6o0n 18:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

If you tell me what requirements you've trained, then I can help.Th3Evil5Ponge 17:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you can train skills more than 10 points with the Brionac.--Kingman186 16:20, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Dyeing

I'd just like to point out that you can indeed dye all 3 parts of Brionac with a metal dye ampule. -- Tylian (TALK · CONTRIB) 01:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

put up a picture? :o I really have a hard time believing it 3: no offense

I will when I get my hands on another dye. Wasted 5 trying to dye it black. xD -- Tylian (TALK · CONTRIB) 17:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It is dyeable. Mine is black bladed, blue hilt, and silver/white fittings now. Also storeable in bank of course. Syl 22:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)Syllwynn

Also confirmed it, mines all silvery, I wish I got black on it D: maybe when I'm richer gold-wise...--Marthian 00:22, 1 January 2011 (PST)

Breaking

Can the Brionac break? As in lose all of its max durability, becoming unusable?--Kingman186 16:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The repair rate is 100%. --Angevon (Talk) 16:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Given that using brionac to train skills usually reduces it by 0.25 durability, I think it would be better to simply state the outliers.
Thus, I'll be making a list of tested skills here. Feel free to edit it if you've tested another skill and if it uses up any amount of durability than 0.25, placed it on the page in the main article.
Any skill marked with an asterisk uses up more or less than 0.25 durability when using the full extent of brionac's training.

Life
Tailoring*
Weaving*
Handicraft*
Refining*
Blacksmithing*
Herbalism
Potion Making*
Taming Wild Animals
Fishing
Metallurgy
Carpentry*
Hillwen Engineering
Magic Craft
Sheep Sheering
Transformation Mastery

Combat
Defense
Counterattack
Windmill
Combat Mastery
Critical Hit
Charge
Lance Charge
Support Shot
Crash Shot
Throwing Attack

Magic
Enchant*
Magic Mastery
Lightning Bolt
Ice Spear
Lightning Shield
Meteor Strike
Snap Cast

Alchemy
Alchemy Mastery*
Wind Blast
Flame Burst
Chain Cylinder
Fragmentation
Synthesis
Life Drain
Rain Casting
Summon Golem

Fighter
Combo Mastery
Charging Strike
Somersault Kick

Music
Playing Instrument

Puppetry
None so far

Dual Gun
Reload
Grapple Shot

Hidden
None so far

I noticed when using the brionac to train Reload rank 2's "use the skill successfully" requirement that it only trained 500 counts.
This is neither 10% of the full training count for that requirement nor 10 skill points.
Either it only trains 500 counts maximum or it only trains 7.5 skill points now.
Could someone test this?

Tested. Rank 3 grapple shot's "use a skill" requirement trained 550 counts. 5.5 training points.
It appears that it only trains 7.5 skill points max now. Again, this specific hypothesis needs testing.

http://puu.sh/1pAxj

As far as I know, and as far as this article goes, Brionac does not cut Protection upon use.

Can anyone back up his statement?

I would test it, but considering I have no access to the game, I can't and I hope someone will for me.

I should probably provide links to the thread : http://mabinogi.nexon.net/Community/forums#%2Fshowthread.php%3F620148-G12-Final-not-restoring-Shadow-Spirit-s-exp%26p%3D5194961%23post5194961

Certain enemies like Nuadha is one....actually I think it's just him and his Daols....

Equivalent posted after his saying that it only affects Boss-labeled enemies (not CP), so that could be it.

Things that affect boss tagged enemies. Shadow spirit's defense and protection lowering, also now that i think about it, is it brionac that does that too? Or is it just shadow spirit, i think somewhere ingame it told us to use the power of brionac to weaken Nuadha's defense.

Also puppet's snare (does not work on Boss labeled enemies) I have the old....oh no longer acceptable nvm.

Probably affects only certain bosses, like how Counter cuts the Giant Golden Spiderling's or the Giant Partholon Ghost's Prot.

That's built into the monsters themselves, not the item.

Wouldn't the Brionac ignoring protection also be "built into the monsters"?

No, that's built into Brionac.

kinda. . . ?

The tag is on the mobs, just certain weapons can utilize that tag.

So is it established that Brionac lowers protection on some monsters? If so, which ones? And should this information be added to the main page?

According to Aubog, anything with /boss/ in their category. But that specifically would be hard to add into the page, since there are so many, and generalizing it will not work, since no one will know what /boss/ means.

I think the fact that it cuts protection on some monsters warrens a note on the main page. Anyone know that does the Brionac user has to be under the effect of Sock or Demi for it to lower boss' protection?

So far...Daols and Nuadha...at least from what I've done during my course of the C3 Renewal edits...

Merrow in Scathach Caverns can also have its protection lowered.

"Increased assault distance in ranged attacks"
"Increased assault angle in ranged attacks"

I just noticed this on my Brionac. What the heck does it mean though?

No, it is not reforged, but I did use it to SoG Cromm Cruiach.

Splash. Angle and damage i think? Unless it says that now ingame?

I believe these are the 2 blue lines of text that appear on the Brionac when you equip it while in Demigod mode. I think it increases the range and the explosion radius of Spear of Light.

“	When using the Shock and Awakening of Light Skills, the Splash Range and Splash Radius of Brionac increases considerably.	„

I think its referring to this part.

Out of curiosity, if you "awaken" its inner power, will it loose Dura from that?

'100% = 4 AP g'

Does that sound right to anyone?

Same goes for Ducat g....

I suppose the whole Weaponbox template needs to be reformatted?

Why the entire thing?

I don't know.

"Although, many Tuatha Dananns doubt his Brionac has relation to this Brionac."

What? I don't recall that. Evidence please?

only Briana says this.

people should really stop being exaggerator -___-

Exaggerating? I just don't want to be confused.

i just don't like how people use Briana's talk and assume that many Tuatha Dananns doubt his Brionic has relation to this Brionac.

too much confusion -__-

Since when did Brionac ignore defense and prot? I'm sure when I smash it on hard mode, my damage was lowered. --Miyuna 20:09, 9 December 2010 (PST)

I'm pretty sure that it only ignores a portion of the enemy's defence and protection. Also, I believe this is a property of the shocked brionac. Brionac is meant to be used while shocked, so an unshocked brionac is nothing more than a high powered 2 hander.

Is there any information about that in the client or in other wikis?

I've never actualy read other wikis, and I only use the client files to compare my test results against vars, or to get bonus data for skills which I would otherwise need to rank. I have not yet tested brionac out on higher protection and defence mobs, however from using it on KR test it does appear to do somewhat more damage than it should while it is sparked.

I wonder how to find out the truth.

One finds the truth by looking for it. I don't rely on the client files because they aren't always completely accurate (Shock and AR are good examples). I just use statistical analyses to find the values for skills and vars. The problem with brionac and light skills damage and other properties is that I can't just go out and spam them till I get enough trials to pin down the vars I'm looking for. I need multiple trials (at least 50) and multiple scenarios (at least 5) if I want to get an exact number. Brionac is especialy hard because of the damage range adding a lot of variance. The only reason this is even an issue is because I don't have the exact defence and protection values for targets in the ranges I need anyways.

The best way to test if a Shock Brionac does bypass -some protection- is easy. If you shock Brionac and you check your character screen and see you have 60% critical hit exactly, then find a mob with 31% protection then see if you can even get one crit in. If it is possible, then the Brionac does have higher critical or decreases the enemy's critical. From there, we can add in more questions as long as we can confirm that one theory. --Miyuna 22:25, 9 December 2010 (PST)

Bypass of defence for damage, bypass of protection for damage, and bypass of protection for critical damage are 3 seperate things in the game code. All that would prove is that brionac in the state used would have some level of ability to bypass protection for critical.