Talk:Elf

I fixed some things related to the 'hide' skill. My elf can see all other hidden elf characters whether in party or not. I think it would be helpful to add a brief section listing all Elf-specific skills. Perhaps available appearances as well Pleinair 04:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It says Elves can equip the arrow pack of 500, but I do not see it being sold or any other way for elves to get it, is it not released yet? --Jgmartin 02:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I think nexon removed that so they can implement the 1000 arrow bags (not refillable, Cash item) so they can profit from it.--Dra6o0n 15:10, 2 March 2009 (EST)

I wouldn't write the quivers off just yet. Note that they aren't selling Elf-Only bows either yet.--GN54 03:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• Removed the "possibilities" section (in this and the Human article) because it seemed a bit perscriptive; maybe in a strategy guide, but not in a wiki article. --Axzem 00:00, 9 July 2008 (PDT)

so... elves cant use palladin transformation?Sozen Cratos Focker 18:09, 9 July 2008 (PDT)

No. Elves cannot do G1-G3. Those are for humans only. Elves get their own transform skill called Falcon. It's similar to Paladin, but not the same. --- Angevon

are elves able to use magnum shot? --ACE1337 18:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes. ---Angevon

Does anyone know how to get Falcon transformation in other mabinogi versions? If so, can you list like, a guide? :O! Or link me somewhere. Thanks in advance ;) --Kevin 01:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This appears to be the page on JP. There is no guide in english afaik. Kuroshin may have one, no idea though. Seems the quest requires service. ---Angevon

This is what I got from translating that guide from japanese to english: --Pluto8539

I've just put in all of that (and more) into the Falcon Elf page. I will finish the rest later. ---Angevon

I've noticed on my elf that normal ranged attack doesn't take any stamina at all. Is this true?--Gintoki 14:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope. it does take stamina, i dont know the exact amount but i do see it go down, especially when i am egoing bows at zombies. slayer1o1 22:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Elf Melee Weakness: Counter

The page says elf loads counter in 2.4 seconds, not the normal 1.5 seconds from humans/giants. I don't believe this because I know elves can Fire-Ice-Counter a Succubus, which requires counter to load in 1.5 seconds. Humans counter activates just in time after this. I need verification to believe that elf counter takes 2.4 seconds to activate. --Fruitrecruit

elves probably need very high rank counter 4 the load time reduction to be able to fire counterSozen Cratos Focker 08:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

actually, i dont think ranking up counter actually reduces load time --Fruitrecruit

and watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHfk7Muk8n0&feature=related --Fruitrecruit

this video shows fire-ice-counter, not fire-counter, it probably works cause sucubus ai reacts differently to that, making it not charge @ u imediately or something.Sozen Cratos Focker 00:10, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

No that's wrong: Lets give you the facts? (1) Succubus has level 2 Mana Reflector, therefore it will basically walk through icebolt, slight delay if it used defense. (2) You have exactly 1.7 seconds to activate Counter before it reaeches you. I'm going to remove that Counter comment. Fruitrecruit

can elves sog?

is sog timing diferent with elf ranged atack? and can sog be used on a horse? and do elves use 2 arows @ once 4 magnum 2? or just range?Sozen Cratos Focker 08:06, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Just ranged. ---Angevon

Elven sog is different than human. One of the sog methods i know of is to shoot just as you begin to pull the bowstring back with a llb. It's very fast and hard to do though, and there are slower methods. ~ Aeril 09:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Elfs in Another World?

The page says that Elfs cant get to Tir Na Nog. However, i've seen some in TNN (probably the use of the Flyer). Also i'm wondering to know if they can access the Gateway Dungeon. ~ Shadowboy132

Elves can go through the Gateway Dungeon as long as they are level 25 like humans. slayer1o1 22:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Elves are able to go through the G1 dungeon to access TNN, but they aren't able to go through the solo dungeon to get to Bangor TNN for G3. A human has to take them there using a housing ticket. That should be added somewhere. Also elves (and i presume giants) are able to transform inside of the G1 final dungeon. I personally used my falcon wave against Glas. ~ Aeril 09:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Q & A

Q: Were do you get the alliance keyword? -- hawk400206

A: You get it automatically upon talking to Krug or Castanea. ---Angevon

Q: When you say 24 hours, do you mean game time or real life? Heliopheron

Real life, if you are asking about making an alliance after breaking it. ---Angevon 21:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Elves slow with kites?

Since when? I've used a kite on my elf, and seen other elves using them. I didn't pay attention to tell if they slowed down at all, but i do know that if they did they weren't as slow as a human. Who put that up? I need to test it out again and see.

I know someone already removed it, but I just tested it and my elf ran its normal elfie speed with a Kite Shield equipped. I tried a blunt with the Kite Shield just for the heck of it, and he still didn't slow down. --Aramet 02:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

No why is my elf slowing down on kite?--黄恒升 ^{☞ 评论 ☜} 02:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Flying Mounts

The phrase here says "Elves are the only race that can shoot arrows on horses and other Mounts, except flying mounts when in flight.", which gives the impression that you can shoot off of flying mounts when they're grounded, but my elf can't shoot off of my Thunderbird even when it's not flying.--Kong 06:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it.- A Random User 06:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Magic

According to other information, elven basic magic costs the same to charge. Only Ice Spear gets a mana reduction. They do, however, have about 50 more MP than humans.Novaix 01:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Smash

I've seen several melee elves that have a fast time for loading smash, comparable to human loading time actually. Is that simply a speed mod or does smash loading time reduce at higher ranks? ~ Aeril 09:33, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

"Elves cannot Dual Wield any weapon with the exception of puppets."

Can someone explain me how my elf can dual wield puppets? I'd love to have my colossus and pierrot out at the same time.

http://mabinogi.x10.mx/itemdb_dev/?action=search&search=%2Fhide_palm%2F&in=tags

So I'm thinking, maybe we should call that page/category "Hand Puppets" since puppets (Marionettes) are a thing. The Giant description also implicitly excludes puppets

At this moment, it'd be easier to list what Two-handed Weapons they can't wield rather than what type they can... Thoughts?

will autogenerate category w/ new template.

I meant for their abilities on this page.

Define "what they can't wield"?

Two-handed Axes, Two-handed Swords (excluding Brionac), Two-handed Blunt Weapons. However, they can wield fishing rods, staves, scythes, knuckles, L-Rods, Pillows, etc. And at the moment, we're pretty much just listing what they can't.

Bump.

Was it really the Curse of Irinid that actually caused the amnesia state of the Elves? If I remember right, Generation 8 portrays Castanea erasing the memories of others to prevent them from suffering from the truth and becoming into despair.

I don't think that's in G8. I'm pretty sure Castanae-related stuff are in G7.

The idea of memory loss continues in G8 with Yoff/Phaesalus and Kelpie. And I think it was Atrata- and Taunes-related stuff that was more in G7

I believe the Curse of Irinid has nothing to do with the amnesia, just the turning of elves into Desert Ghosts. Memory loss is something directly controlled by Castanea via the memory tower. Where that power comes from is never answered - Castanea only informs the player that "the answer may lie in Zardine" before they get wrapped up in the whole Conduction Ceremony mess.

I never played Generation 7, but why did Castanea erase Atrata's memory again? Because they thought she was evil or something?

Discussion like this goes in the forum. Not on wiki talk pages.

We're not really discussing anything? I'm just wondering the cause of the memory loss?

I respectfully disagree, Angevon. I think clarification of character motivation, significant events, and scope of abilities are all facts that would make an article more comprehensive.

all non-milletian elves share memory with memory tower. Castanea, who had power to control tower(even though the power was bestown upon chief to protect elves) erased memory of Atrata and the mob to bring back peace to Connous (as there were many murdering of black-haired elf, causing chaos)

I thought they said Castanea was leading the Obvious Elves?

hmm really? i am not very familiar with that.

Still though, wasnt it Castanea that stopped others from killing Atrata?

I think she was being sympathetic to Atrata and spared her, but didn't want her to be scarred by the memory and so erased it.

Near the end of this page the Guide writer's narration indicates that Atrata was needed for some reason (perhaps her involvement with Taunes), which is why Castanea stopped the others from killing her, and persumably erased all memories relating to that to preserve peace.

It hasn't explicitly stated that there were many murders of black-haired elves, just that they always appear before disaster strikes, which is why a mob of elves wanted to kill Atrata.

And Infodude..."Oblivious" Elves, not "obvious" elves. Heh.

... Why do I keep thinking "obvious"? Lol...

Did anything else happen to Atrata after that though, aside from the final?

Nope. After that it should've all been focusing on Kelpie's memories, investigating Zardine, and the Conduction Ceremony.

So Nexon decided to be lazy and leave in many holes in their plots... Typical.

devcat, not nexon o.o; But that's beside the point.

Atrata in G7 (faulty memory warning) basically helped out taunes...and I think she was condemned for it and pretty much it. It's like a forbidden act to assist giants, let alone heal them.

I'm aware of the forbidden act. Yet, during the Falcon Quest, Castanea instead locked you away rather than stripping your memories for wandering too close to the Giants? And yet they soon made peace in Chapter 3? And yet they live in solitary peace in Cobh?

Doesn't sound like it's "forbidden" anymore.

No offence Mikaya but I think you're wrong there. There weren't any mention of retribution from other elves, Castanea or not, to Atrata for her helping Taunes - the pictures which showed the other elves with the torches displayed Atrata as younger than she is now (I think), so that was probably from the first lashout at black-haired elves during a war against Giants.

And in the Falcon quest...remember Fallenone already mentioned that all non-Milletian elves share memory using the memory tower, which means Milletian elves aren't necessarily able to be stripped of their memory. And besides which, they had just unlocked a powerful ability that could benefit the elves as a whole, so Castanea wouldn't want to lose that.

G3 and Cobh is unexplained though. -.- I'm pretty sure the elves had to stay near the memory tower to remember themselves...And as for peace with Giants, the only explanation I have (that I don't think the story gave) is that it's only accepted because of the necessary unity against the dangers of the Shadow Realm, in the same way that giants and elves united against dragons in ancient times.

Yeah, the story wasn't built all too properly. At the same time, they had good gameplay backing it up, so they probably felt safe leaving it.

G3? You mean C3.

And I thought Castanea believed that the power of Beast Mode was dangerous? Strategy Guide: When you return to Filia and speak with Castanea, she will tell you that she has no choice but to punish you for conducting a rather dangerous research, not to mention your close encounters with the Giants. Soon thereafter, you will be locked in the Longa Desert Ruins.

Yeah, I meant C3.

She's already shown herself to be a manipulator of memories, and you want to take her seriously word for word? Heh.

No, I think it's better in Castanea's situation to look from her perspective, and not so much her words. "Conducting a rather dangerous research" is a convenient excuse to lock the Milletian elf up, and be a scapegoat to warn off other elves from contacting giants, but it's not necessarily the whole reason (and nor does it have to be true). As a leader of her race it's definitely a plus to the elves against giants if she managed to get her hands on a secret ability with potential to fight off dragons, killing the elf or erasing the Milletian's memory is out even if she could. Heck, Hagel might've even been sent to free the Milletian on Castanea's orders, directly or indirectly, so she can observe the elf without making herself look bad.

Of course, this is stipulation and shouldn't be taken as fact, at least not yet. But consider that leaders generally have to keep the entire picture in mind.

That's an interesting theory right there.

But... explain how Castanea can manipulate Kelpie's memories when he's not an Elf, where the Memory Tower only affects non-Milletian Elves.

...With respect to confirmed in-game world? I can't. x.x

With a lotta fudging I can think up other possibilities, or we can just attribute it to the plot hole left when Nexon hurriedly tried to associate G8 with dragons, but yeah, you hit a really sore spot there.

"Elves are the only race that can shoot arrows while mounted"..."They may only use their regular ranged attack while mounted"

This is not true, they may use mirage missile and magnum shot as well. I haven't seen it done, but crash shot is probably usable as well. if anyone can fix this for me that'd be great, I've got a paper to write right now :c--Hasley of Ruairi 14:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Fix'd. I wonder how long that's been there.