Talk:Enchant

I don't believe anywhere in the wiki is a description of what an "Enchant Burn" is, or what it does? Sabranth 16:20, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

I don't think there's one either. I've added an explanation to this page.Ziv 21:49, 16 April 2008 (PDT)

Train Enchanting with FB and AR pages?

Going by the commoment~ It is possible to train the skill by enchanting pages from the Fireball and Arrow Revolver collection quests. Since it is not possible to fail, the only result generated will be a "success". and by what others have said.

How does this actually work? Currently, I'm rank B enchanting and I've tried enchanting pages onto a new FB and AR book and I get "success" but no skill exp. --Sai 17:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You must have Magic Powder equipped in the right hand and the page in the other hand.Zephyre 03:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah-ha! I just found that out a few days ago when I noticed pages could be worn in the shield slot with magic powder. Thanks. --Sai 01:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Enchant training at higher level can be done this way quickly without spamming the boring Alby normal =) because it is pretty easy to get 10+ pages from FB 1 to 6 from Fiodh in a single run. The preparation work is to keep multiple FB books in the bank account. You can get extra FB book from Stewart as long as you have not completed the FB quest. i.e. Getting FB 1, 2 and then 5, 6 from Fiodh, you can enchant onto one FB book with 1,2 and then 5,6 onto another. It works. =) --Sillydude 05:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Campfire Ranks + Enchant Ranks

When enchant burning, there is a certain chance for success for both magic powder and an enchant scroll. Enchant page shows a base chance for success, while Campfire shows another based on the rank of campfire. Should we add both to one page, most likely this one, or make another one to show the addition of both? It's quite difficult to try to figure it out based on the two pages...--Demaetri 21:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Elven Magic Powder

This page has no mention of the Elven Magic Powder. Someone should add information on it. --Jerl 06:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Gear enchanting without worrying about enchant scroll rank

All my gear has become able to enchant without worrying about the enchant rank lately and i was just wondering y it is happening--Jkeggereis 00:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Enchants Rank F to A do not need to be enchanted in order. However Rank 9 and up will need the previous ranked enchant (A -> 9 -> 8 and so on) and the previous enchant must belong in the same category as the preceding enchant (Suffix Rank A -> Suffix Rank 9, Prefix Rank A -> Prefix Rank 9)--Δκυmσ - ταłκ 00:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I know that part, but my gear doesn't need that anymore. I can enchant any enchant without having to have an enchant on my stuff. I have a bow with no enchants on it and now i can put any rank enchant on it without worrying what rank it is, same for my armor on my characters.--Jkeggereis 06:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Some enchants can be enchanted onto items regardless of their scroll rank. --- Angevon (Talk) 15:13, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I know, but, I can enchant any enchant not just certain 1's, that's the weird part. All the enchants there are i can enchant without having to have an enchant on my stuff. Thx everyone tho for ur comments. --Jkeggereis 00:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Enchant Powders

Why does this thing say that Kirine sells magic powders? She doesn't. --Zkin 15:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

uh yes she does... under the magic tab --chrissy of hailfire 00:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Burn success rates improved with Carpentry firewood

I have a chart that details the enchant burn success rate when players burn enchants using the new carpentry firewood. Unfortunately I'm working with limited server access being military deployed overseas. If someone gives me the go, I'll find a way to post the chart on this talk page so it can be recreated using an actual template. ---Kaeporo 05:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Alby Spamming

Someone figured that spamming Alby for enchant scroll should bring in many people to the run. e.g. mule, friends, etc. Borrow them to the dungeon when they are not playing mabi or doing something else on their computer. Then have all these characters riding the mounts. You get 3x to 8x enchant scrolls this way in much shorter time.

--Sillydude 18:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Enchant Burn any item to get Magic Powder.

Over the course of training enchanting, I collected some data on how frequently I got regular successes versus great successes on Thursdays versus the rest of the week. Here are the results:

• Not Thursday Great Successes: 16
• Not Thursday Successful Enchants: 410
• Thursday Great Successes: 4
• Thursday Successful Enchants: 49

This places the 'Great Success' rate on non-Thursdays at 3.9 %, while on Thursdays it is 8.1 %, so my guess is that the true success rate is 4.0 % and that it's doubled on Thursday. Note that the vast majority (95 %+) of these came from Alby Dungeon. I'm told that Beginner Enchant Scroll Bundles can't get great successes, so a few of them were included in the data set before I knew if this was true.

Did you never fail them? I imagine that would factor in, too, but it's hard to know. If it's two rolls it wouldn't factor in but if it's only 1 then it would.

That is:

if (rng()% < success rate%) {
  if (rng() indicates greatness) {
    great success
  } else {
    success
  }
} else {
  failure/great failure logic
}

your data would cover this.

But:

result = rng()%
if (result < great success rate) {
  great success
}
else if (result < success rate) {
  success
}
else failure logic

then you need to record fails too.

In terms of how to tell which it is tho, I dunno, this is about the limit of my math skillz.

I only recorded instances where I was successful, so unfortunately I don't have any numbers for failures. Since they were almost all low level enchants from Alby, the success rate was capped at 90 % for nearly all of them, though.

It would either be the first case, or the second case with adjusted rates to match the first. This might be the same question about how music performances are decided.

That said Hematin, the samples are significantly imbalanced and by your own admission the data has impurities. You should do at least 100 on thursday with 100 on not thursday for a more appropriate (and statistically significant) comparison.

The rates are specifically different, which is the problem & why we need to record failures. In both cases, the displayed success rate is accurate since a great success is still a success. Not sure what/how you want to adjust. I would expect it to work in the same way as music success, though, if we have the data to figure out which that one is.

I did not read the rng() calls as separate values. Did you mean he should record the failures so we can determine if there are fewer great failures? Otherwise i don't see how recording failures could possibly help determine the method of calculating success; we only have access to the result of calculation unless we dig real deep and determine how many rand() calls the game makes during enchanting.

I don't know if it can be used to determine which version is used (that's the limit of my mathematical ability), but they're important in one of them, so they need to be recorded, anyway.

It's as efficient as doing Albies alone even with all the relogging. Because the reward scroll is rA and will give the most possible quantities of additional fail exp. If you bring your characters with instruments to the place beforehand you'll be able to have 5 scrolls per part-time job duration and rank F Playing Instrument is good enough for that.

It is mentioned that Enchant's success rate is affected by Intelligence. However, only success rates with 200 Intelligence are listed, offering up no comparisons for lower levels of Intelligence than that, or even a formula by which one can determine their success rate.

Also an open question. People be missing my questions recently... probably because I made them on Friday...

Or nobody knows or wants to test, no fence.

It varies too much on rank to rank. (Rank meaning scroll rank).

Do you think the formula for Enchant success rate (and the influence Of Intelligence) can be...

here is a bunch of values from rank F to A from 0 to 200 int

there's some missing but it changes every 10 int. Yellow columns are Thursday bonuses.

Thanks, Mika. Seems that the formula gives more higher success rates for 0 Intelligence compared to 10 Intelligence going off of rank C... Obviously, there is a multiplier between scroll ranks... Chart is pretty incomplete, though, so nothing to useful to garner from that page (yet).

Seems like yet another project to tackle.

It's logistic. have fun.

Um, out of curiosity, why is it that more intelligence decreases your success? Or am I misinterpreting that?

What do you mean? a screen would help.

It looks like it increases with more intelligence to me. I'm not sure where you're seeing decreasing.

Under F to A ranks with 0~99 Intelligence, rank C is the only enchant rank with the 0 and 10 Intelligence filled out. 0 Int gives 55% and 10 Int gives 53%. After that, it increases with increasing Intelligence.

On Mika's link.

200 Int:

• Success Rate at Rank F: 90%
• Success Rate at Rank 1: 10%

???

Oh...well higher the rank on enchant scroll, less success. And I think you meant r2.

Ohhh, I see now. Thank you for correcting me.

I didn't look at that page long enough, but maybe that's failure rate?

No, what I posted was the success rate.

I understand that for Enchant scrolls R9 and above u need an enchant on the item that is a rank below. is it possible to overwrite one that is of the same rank or above?

"At least a rank below" would be better wording. Yes, so long the enchant is a rank below or above, you may enchant it.

I don't get it. Why would you need a Rank A to insert a Rank 9?

In which dimension did you read that?

Disregard that ^. Missed the "a" between "need" and "rank".

If it was made so you could enchant rank 9 without rank A, then you'd be able to enchant rank 2 without ranks 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A. That'd kill the entire point of the enchant system. -CP enchanted clothing everywhere. OP equipment everywhere.

In other words, "it's just how the game works."

“	Enchant Scrolls of Rank 9 and higher require that the item being enchanted already have an enchantment of the previous Rank (or higher). This means that in order to Enchant an item with a Rank 6 Enchant, for example, you must first enchant it with a Rank A, 9, 8, and 7 in that order. The enchantment on the item must be of the same type (Prefix or Suffix) as the Enchant Scroll.	„

Rank 9+ require the previous rank in order to be enchanted.

Ah, now that makes sense.

Are you telling me you didn't know how step enchanting worked?

I think he thought it as something like "Step Enchanting begins at Rank 9" rather than what I said.

^

I think you should play the game more often.

Dude, I've played for about two years or so. I'm not an enchanter, so how the hell was I supposed to know?

You make it sound like you've never enchanted a piece of equipment past rank A after so long.

Because you're absolutely right.

So, i found the hummingbird enchant and it says "Enchant enabled with no rank requirement" not "enchant enabled rank regardless". Is it just another way of saying enchant enabled regardless? O:

Maybe they finally updated the wording?

Rabbie normal is a great place to find dual-enchanted items. Every mob in there has a burnable on its commonly dropped loot table, and most of them are suffix's or dual enchanted items. I sometimes net 5-10 in 1 run 2-4 seem to b average, so if you have a decent burn % and a lot of hw/herbs, this is a better option than alby spamming. And as a added bonus, there are 2-3 herb patches in the dungeon, the end chest drops a dual burnable most of the time, and thunder pg 4 drops off the end boss (worth 400-800k on ruairi) for extra holy water cash.

Obviously a more expensive route to go, but way faster if u got the cash.

Most of the details are redundant since they're started more simply further down the page. Though, honestly I feel like it'd be easier to delete the whole details section and re-write whatever needs to be written.

A revision would be welcome.

Well, it's done. Please edit/revise as you feel is necessary

Is it possible to request burn from someone for personalized items?

with enchanting it is but burnin i'm not sure about probably is tho